When did Winter surfing become crowded?

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ, Dec 30, 2015.

  1. HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ

    HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ Well-Known Member

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    Mar 22, 2015
    Exactly. Go into a surf shop up in new England and the first thing they do is tell you how great winter surfing is.(while trying to sell that 5mm) I've been hammered myself for not winter surfing. I even see surf lesson guys telling their students how they HAVE to surf in the winter and that's where all the "core" guys do. They create that aura that the "real" surfers surf in winter, while the posers sit at home.

    It's like people who upload videos and name their spots or come on here and say how good a certain spot was. Can't anyone keep it to themselves?? This only increases crowding at that spot. Talked to someone who surfed before the internet age. It was totally different and empty solo sessions could be had especially in winter even at matunuck. Hollywood making surfing look cool also contributes greatly. Every time a surf movie is made I cringe. People blame surf camps for crowding, but actually they simply serve a need, not CREATE the need. Go/pro/social media also contribute. It's all about looking "cool" and "core".

    And florida has a really long coastline. How many miles of beach? Many areas in new england have limited breaks with good quality waves and show extreme overcrowding(like new hampshire). Florida also has much more consistent waves. You can find rideable waves in good weather a couple times a week, albeit mushy and onshore winds, but still ride-able!
     
  2. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Valid points and agreed, although it was offshore this morning where I surfed :)
     

  3. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
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  4. titsandpits

    titsandpits Well-Known Member

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    Sep 4, 2012
    winter surfing has always been crowded... your just a lame a$$ follower and surf the most crowded breaks. do some exploring and you'll probably find better peaks all to yourself//
     
  5. LazyE

    LazyE Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2014
    We were having this same conversation 20 years ago aboot our local break. Ebb and flow my man, ebb and flow.
     
  6. HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ

    HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ Well-Known Member

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    Mar 22, 2015
    It sucks elephant balls. LOL I never blew up any spots. Nj vs Ri was all super well known breaks and I wasn't showing videos of the breaks at their best, which is what draws in the crowds. Worse thing you can do is show a fickle break at it's best. Draws all the people in.

    You've admitted to me it's uncomfortable and it's basically just "survival" in January. Ice cream headaches are not comfortable. If you take 7 waves on the head in 40 degree water, that aint comfy. I've called people out who say they are WARM in january when it's 10 degrees out in 33 degree water. Just keep it real. People on here talking about 4/3 in February in new england. It's all macho B.S. Forget 4/3, 6mm aint even close to keeping the average person comfortable in those type of conditions. 6MM keep an average person comfy in upper 40 degree water with an air temp in the upper 40s. It was desienged for santa cruz, ca in the winter. Not new england.

    I need to look into getting a polar xcel 9mm wetsuit. Maybe enough to get me through a NJ winter. :cool: I just lie on a board so it's not like I'm even popping up.
     
  7. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    lol a 4/3 keep me fine in 44 degree water we had last year in sc...my face on the other hand.. but i paddle a lot and catch a lot of waves i dont just sit there.
     
  8. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    No no no...I never admitted discomfort, I said my stylee changes to basically survival mode on bigger cold days...I'm more likely to cruise on the shoulder and carve than to pull into barrels I would in warmer conditions.

    The change-up after? Alright, it's a little chilly, but the warm up in the car after is heavenly. You'll never appreciate heat that much.

    My 6/5/4 is the bee's knees, and my hands and neck are actually warm.
     
  9. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    I have no experience with answering that question for New England, but I would say for the Delmarva area the uptick in crowded winter surfing happened about 10 or so years ago and might be a combination of several factors.

    Surfers reaching retirement age, moving closer to the coast, and are now around in December and January where 20 year ago they weren't. This influx of retirees has completely changed the winter economy around here, which used to be non-existent. Year around jobs = year around surfers.

    The kids of fathers who surfed are now old enough to drive and surf in the winter without needing dad to be around

    Surf-predictin' websites and surf-showin' cams came about 10-15 years ago...Far easier to justify driving in cold weather to waves you already know are going to be there when you arrive.

    Wetsuit technology crossed a line in the late 1990s - early 2000s. We (well...we who are old) all know how warm they are now and how much they sucked by comparison 20 years ago.

    Anyway...thats my long winded, over analytical way of answering the question when did winter surfing become crowded. More than 10 years ago less than 20.

    So with that said...theres a little wave out there today, sun seems to be peeking out, so I'm heading out to surf!
     
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  10. CJsurf

    CJsurf Well-Known Member

    Apr 28, 2014
    I miss what winter surfing was in the late 90s and early 2000s. Back then when school started the crowds of outsiders disappeared leaving the surf, particularly during the work week, to a small band of locals. Back then you knew all the guys in the water in the winter cause it was always the same crew. It was also the most dedicated and generally the best surfers........no kooks. There were a lot of surprise ground swells back then that only a handful of locals who checked the surf in person every day or multiple times a day would pick up on.

    Surf forecasting, Surf Cams and cell phones put an end to all of that. I wish surf cams would become a thing of the past.
     
  11. HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ

    HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ Well-Known Member

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    Mar 22, 2015
    I never understood people changing outside their car in the winter. Just drive home with your wetsuit if you live close by OR if you live far away like you do.....

    I told you already 10 times bro...find a mcdonalds or something similiar, put your ass in the sink and change in there!!!! Just throw toilet paper on the floor to stand on so you don't fall. I cracked my head on the urinal after I slipped one time. I nearly came up in missing in action. Nasty cut to my head. Now I always put my ass in the sink. If someone comes in while you're butt naked ass in the sink with toilet paper all over the floor, just tell em it's too cold out too change outside! It's all GOOD!
     
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  12. HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ

    HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ Well-Known Member

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    Mar 22, 2015
    You really want to find the most ghetto place possible to change so they don't kick you. Don't go to a high end place. Olive garden kicked me out. This one place I visited at this ****hole gas station in queens had bums showering their arm pits in the sink, brushing their teeth, and taking a dump in the urinal. Who the hell can't tell the difference between a urinal and a toilet...holy god. Too much even for me
     
  13. HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ

    HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ Well-Known Member

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    Mar 22, 2015
    After you change at the mcd's....make sure to get some apple pie. It's da bomb post session. Also, their fruit smoothis are da bomb. Mango is where it's at. I really wish beaches kept their hot showers open in fall/spring. Such a pain. Plenty of people using the beach.
     
  14. sigmund

    sigmund Well-Known Member

    Dec 7, 2015
    Say what!? I'd say surfing in NH has gotten *less* crowded, to the point where I'd prefer some bodies in the water on the bigger days. I surfed 12/31 in head high offshore conditions at NH's most popular spot with about 10 guys out spread out over various peaks. Even the points, when they're breaking, have been completely manageable, where in years past I would shake my head and go elsewhere.

    Just look at ole Barry, he surfs virtually every NH session solo.

    Better check yourself.
     
  15. trevolution

    trevolution Well-Known Member

    Feb 16, 2012
    dude your complaining that one of the most consistently crowded regional spots in new England is....crowded.

    theres SO many good uncrowded spots within a 10 minute drive of there. In fact every day this season I surfed tunic, i surfed better spots either before or after my session there. tunic is ok, but on days it was chest high mushy I was cruising into overhead barrels down the street. 80% percent of the time tunic's crowd is not worth the mediocrity of its waves (ive had some exceptions when its big). There is always a crowd regardless of the season if its worth riding and in my time spent surfing there (the better half of a decade) there always has been.

    Blame the URI f@gs for that not the surf industrial complex that brainwashes the youth and sends em all up here.
     
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  16. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    at the end of the day,u have to realize the eastcoast is beachbreaks.well maybe new England has some reefs and points,but the vast majority of ec is beachbreaks,which means theres no special spot.u can literally surf anywhere aslong as theres a sandbar.

    for example,il semi-blow up my spot lol,which is nothing new.im in nj.i live 10 minutes from sandy hook,so I usually surf between sandy hook and mb,depending on where theres a good sandbar and the crowds.go to the surfers cove in sandy hook any day of the year and youll see what a crowd looks like.most of these people are from pa and staten island,not even new jersians.now sandy hook,i don't know the exact length but id say its probably around 8 miles of beaches.u got fishing beaches,nude beach,surfing beach,and plenty of extra beaches.instead of going to the cove,try a different beach and youll see perfect empty waves.

    right now after that wicked storm last Tuesday,where iv been surfing,at an undisclosed location on the island,the sandbars are really far out,id say maybe 70-80yards offshore.it kind of looks like how it did right after sandy,perfect sandbars,perfect beachbreak.a frame barrels,go either way u want.iv been surfing almost everyday last week by myself,with no other cars in the parking lot,nobody on the beach,nobody on the beach or water to ur left or right,just empty deserted beaches.and sea bright starting to come alive again.i don't have to travel far to surf,and I don't need to fight any crowds.it would actually be nice to paddle out with somebody else,its either paddle out by yourself,or paddle out into a 30+ people in the lineup.i see no difference in winter surfing from today to back to 2007
     
  17. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    First person in the water determines where the crowd will be.
     
  18. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    that basically sums up everything about winter surfing lol,to the fukin t!!
     
  19. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    I'm very stealthy how I paddle out,iv had people try to follow me before,i just hop in the car and drive down the road lol.where I surf,u have to get out the car and walk down the beach for 5 minutes to see how the surf is.il see a car wait for me to come back to see the look on my face,il shake my head,they drive away,i take my gear out and paddle out
     
  20. HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ

    HARDCOREBOOGIEBOARDER-NJ Well-Known Member

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    Mar 22, 2015
    Sooo many spots within a 10 minute drive? I don't think so. Not descent spots that don't close out in 1 second and barrel. A few, not many. North winds give you a few spots. And many of those spots are 1/2 block long at best. Compare that to miles of beach break in Long beach, NY. Can you imagine if the thousands of surfers in long beach ever came all at one to RI? lol

    And those spots you mentioned nearby have been getting increasing crowds in recent years. That certain spot that has limited parking that barrels right near there that will go un-named, I've seen 30 guys on a single peak in a hurricane swell. Yes matunuck is obviously the most crowded, but the crowds are getting worse. Really going to argue with that? People like the waves at matnuck. I don't. I'm a boogie boarder. Most RI surfers are longboarders.

    Again, I'm not complaining. I'm telling it like it is. ANY break including matunuck in RI used to be uncrowded in winter. The days of saying "I can't wait for winter for all the kooks to go home and the "hardcore" surfers with solo sessions is long gone. The length of season that thins the crowds out gets shorter and shorter. It probably has to be below zero before matunuck empties out a little nowadays.

    There's plenty of special spots that deliver longer rides than other areas depending on things like jetties. In RI you have miles and miles of beach with no sandbar(charletown ri) where waves just "SURGE" and don't break and some spots that totally close out 99% of the time like napatree jetty(worse than gansett beach) We are talking about a rock reef that delivers consistently the same long rides so it will have more people.