Summer Time Flatness Philosophy Discussion

Discussion in 'Southeast' started by 58845, Jul 26, 2009.

  1. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    It's flat. Lets have a discussion.

    Time. A concept? A creation of man? Is it tangible? What is it?
     
  2. conway

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  3. Swellinfo

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    of course time is a creation of man... Time is defined by the relation of one object to another object, and for us humans it is the distance the earth moves with respect to the sun. We could very well call time - distance or speed.

    time = distance / speed.
     
  4. terra-firma intolerant

    terra-firma intolerant Well-Known Member

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  5. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    Ah yes. The oh so common theory that a train is a metaphor for time. An interesting concept, with there being so many similarities once one looks.They were both created by man, but once activated, cannot be stopped except by enormous counter force. There is also the similarity which involves multiple tracks (represented in time as multiple realities) coming to cross each other. The train theory suggests than man has the power to choose between realities (as one may change tracks) and many question that. If we can change between realities, or bands of time, how do we? Do we do it subconsciously, without noticing? Finally there is the parallelism that if time is dislodged or trains are derailed from their paths (or tracks) there could be disastrous results (2012?). Seeing as how humans have managed to avoid this, this portion of the theory is also untested. All things to consider. I'm very glad you brought this up Conway, no time discussion is ever complete without analysis of the train theorem.
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    Serious replies are also welcome and encouraged.
     
  6. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    Ahh, a different take on time. I was thinking more of the larger units more than seconds and minutes; decades, centuries, eons.
    So if time is a creation of man, before man was around did the sun not set, did the months not pass?
     
  7. wbsurfer

    wbsurfer Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    this thread is a total waste of time.
     
  8. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    WELL I THINK ITS SUPPOSED TO BE FLAT AND CHOPPY FOR THE NEXT WEEK SO WE MIGHT AS WELL DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. YOU'RE A WASTE OF TIME. jk lol
     
  9. Swellinfo

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    yes, i say before man, time did not exist, since we invented such an idea.

    But, the sun did set and the months did pass... that is after the point our solar system was created. Suggesting a beginning to this concept of time.
     
  10. wbsurfer

    wbsurfer Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    actually the surf for today was predicted choppy but in the morning today it was semi clean with rare waist high. so if you just find the right sand bar it could get fun even if its choppy.
     
  11. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    Yeah I actually got a few fun ones today.
     
  12. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    This might be slightly redundant to my previous post but hear me out. A day is a measure of time. A day is also the time it takes for the earth to complete one rotation on its axis. Did the earth not rotate on its axis before man, and therefore time passed regardless of whether or not the concept existed yet? Take a concept such as beauty. Beauty is a concept of man. Before man was around, was nature not still beautiful?

    And if I wanted to be really nit picky, did planets not rotate and therefore time not exist in other solar systems, before the creation of our own?
     
  13. wbsurfer

    wbsurfer Well-Known Member

    Mar 30, 2008
    how long does it take you to think of all of this?
     
  14. conway

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    alas, time is but a fleeting concept concocted during mankind's feeble attempt of existence. If humans have only been around for a short time in the earths life, and the concept of time is mans invention, have not humans been around since the beginning of time? What is invention? Are other things strictly subjective to man? Mathematics, science, writing, literature, all these things that we use to describe the workd around us, are they only applicable to the domain of man? Did these methods of description apply before us and will they apply after us?
    How can you actually tell time has passed?
    if you were locked in a windowless room, how would you be able to tell?
     
  15. adowcett

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  16. Swellinfo

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    dude, the earth has existed some 6+ billion years before man existed. Man has only been around for only a blink of an eye in universe time. You should read Stephen Hawking's "Brief History of Time". or "The Whole Shebang" by Timothy Ferris.
     
  17. conway

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    BUT if time didnt exist til man existed, how is that possible?
     
  18. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    Interesting points Conway, I will only tackle a few for now.

    If you had a clock. No clock? Your fingernails growing.


    The concept of time itself (if it is a concept) is based on things passing, not the other way around. Time not passing while you experience reality (are living and breathing) goes against the fundamental concept of time.
     
  19. conway

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    there's no clock and your fingernails and hair growth has been stunted with a special chemical formulated by the obama administration to rally support for the new healthcare overhaul.
     
  20. 58845

    58845 Active Member

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    I am aware of this. Thank you anyway.

    My point is, for that whole 6 billion years, time was passing regardless of whether it had been invented, regardless of whether man was there to watch it pass. If the events through which we measure time took place, then time took place.