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Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by xgen70, Aug 3, 2009.

  1. xgen70

    xgen70 Well-Known Member

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    May 25, 2006
    "If everyone just stuck to positive, optimistic forum threads, the forums might get pretty quiet But, believe it or not, there are some good discussions that arise!"

    "Be a leader, start a significant thread! "


    For those who know,..the sand dunes in OC have really grown in recent years. It appears that many of the dune grasses have really started to take hold. ( I believe there was a planting of dune grass a number of years back to try and bring the dunes back some) I have noticed that the heavy winter storms that push sand up and over the top of the dunes bury the grasses. But this has allowed them to further entrench themselves. Once the spring and summer hits, the grasses really blossom. The dunes have increased in size as a result as well as the grasses. It would seem the planting of the grasses have and are working to restore the dunes to a more natural state. Many dunes are ripe and ready and have the base to be able to support trees now, not all but many do.

    I believe now is the time to further this dune growth by planting pines and trees like you would find on the dunes in CI, AI, FI/DE. I understand that this idea would run into some road blocks due to many hotels/motels in OC saying that the view would be blocked for some of their lower level floors.

    So I was hoping for some feed back, what does everyone think. Would this be a good idea? Would the OC council approve it>>>the planting of trees in/on the dunes?

    If you have every been down to CI or AI you have got to love how the dunes are so alive with grass, trees, flowers, berries and different plants that you just do not see in OC anymore. If you love the Ocean you have got to have a love for the environment around it.

    So what do you think? What are the chances, pros and cons?
     
  2. billabongmoney

    billabongmoney Well-Known Member

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    Sep 23, 2008
    feral cats are a huge negative, when you have a lot of dense vegetation its an all out breading ground, , but this past fall i was in moorehead city fishing for false albacore and you would see packs of 15-20 roaming for food , they **** everywhere attack peoples animals.A dog vs 15 rabid cats has no chance they get in the the trash all kind's mess ,
     

  3. ocripcurrent

    ocripcurrent Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2008
    It would make for a much more solid and sturdy beach front, further protecting the millions of dollars invested, lost, and wasted behind the dune line. But the view - people pay for that view. I'm sure there will be opposition.

    Thank you Army Corps of Engineers for designing such a well thought out dune barrier. It beats jetties every 2 blocks like some of our northern neighbor states. Now let's hope for some tropical storms to rip that sh*t up and make some sandbars!
     
  4. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    Do they still have issues with foxes (real ones, not the cute human ones) in the dunes too?
     
  5. xgen70

    xgen70 Well-Known Member

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    May 25, 2006
    Thanks for the positive feedback.

    point taken about the cats,...down town OC has a large pack of them. Never really seen many north of the board walk though. I Think that is due to less hand outs by the tourons once the board walk stops.

    The dunes do have a large Rabbit population. And that is why you tend to see the fox on the dunes, the rabbits have their backs to the ocean and no where to run really. The fox are all over bay side, huge population of fox over their, and they make the trek over to the dunes to feed.

    Yes the views being blocked would be a sticking point.

    The tree planting sure would go a long way in help retain those dunes and the beach itself.

    Thanks for the replies.
     
  6. mOtion732

    mOtion732 Well-Known Member

    Sep 18, 2008
    cute human foxes??
     
  7. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    an old school term of hot girls.
     
  8. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    This will take care of the foxes:

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  9. oipaul

    oipaul Well-Known Member

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    May 23, 2006
    or cute female foxes made of bombs a-la old school Bugs Bunny cartoons.
     
  10. WaveHog

    WaveHog Well-Known Member

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    Mar 15, 2008
    Sounds like a great idea, how do we get started?
     
  11. surfskibum

    surfskibum Active Member

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    Oct 22, 2008
    Its a great idea but...

    The primary dune environment is very harsh and most tree species will not survive on the dunes in OC. If you look at the vegitation on the primary dune on a more natural barrier island say Assateague you will not find any trees on the first dune. Trees are not usually found till at least the secondary dune system.

    Since there is property on all of the OC coast it will be hard for the dunes to move, and a complete dune system to form.
     
  12. xgen70

    xgen70 Well-Known Member

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    May 25, 2006
    That is a good point,.. however, many dunes have enough space behind them where you may be able to plant a three to four foot wide, section at least,.. while the dune itself provides a buffer from the harshness to which you speak. I know FI still has some nice Pines right in back of the dunes. I would think even a planting in these areas would be a positive and help root systems get stronger in the dunes themselves.

    But you are right, other then CI or FI/DE you really do not see that first line of dunes support those types of trees, that close to the water, Not that it has always been that way.

    But I still think there is room or some way they could start/try to integrate a more diverse set of plants/growth to strengthen what they have started.

    Wish they could find a test area that they could plant and monitor over three to five years to see if maybe something would take.

    Good comments...everyone. and Nice Scope!!!!!!!!!! on that piece of Iron!!!
     
  13. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    xgen

    that scope is sick! its specifically designed for the ballistics of a 55 grain .223 bullet so that as long as i know the range i can put the recticle on the target and it's dead on every time (windage excluded of course). That rifle is murder on varmints at ranges up to 700 yards. After that I bring out the .308 Rem PSS.

    Here's a shot of the recticle:

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    Last edited: Aug 4, 2009
  14. steelwave42

    steelwave42 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 7, 2006
    I think the fact of it strengthening the dunes itself would help the cause a great deal. They are pretty ugly right now too, I really think anything to help them LOOK better will prove to be a positive, despite the fact they may obstruct the view a bit... all around it would make it look better. I don't think there is anything bad about this idea, may be a good one for surfrider to push.

    Also about the cats, I actually have one of those feral cats now! Have for over a year. It is crazy how many are running around here. Sad. Those stupid kids who live here for one year and decide to get a cat, and LEAVE the cat when they leave themselves, deserve to be shot on principle. The cats they disregard have more sense.
     
  15. Don Ride

    Don Ride Well-Known Member

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    Apr 2, 2009
    Changing views

    :)Great thread, sea oats in a breeze is a beautiful thing. The idea of “test plots” makes the most sense. The scrub shrub environment on Assueteague should serve as a model. Bay berry, holy, and other low lying shrubs may allow the view to be maintained. The more people get used to seeing the barrier island in its “natural” state, the better, even if it is just for aesthetic reasons. ;)

    There are local groups in Hollywood Florida that trap and spade feral cats, and I understand it is working for them.
     
  16. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    a cheaper option is to shoot them.
     
  17. Don Ride

    Don Ride Well-Known Member

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    Apr 2, 2009
    Yea, I hear they are eating Pipping Plovers:mad: I just thought some of you OC surfers would enjoy cutting their balls off.:eek:
     
  18. tbing

    tbing Well-Known Member

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    May 27, 2008
    Your 308 is too powerful for a small kitten. 22s are more fun anyway, cause you can shoot them like dualies. One in each hand with a sandbag under them... what a blast.
     
  19. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    agreed. for something like a cat, i use my .223 or a 22 mag.
     
  20. BonerSurfs

    BonerSurfs Well-Known Member

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    Apr 14, 2007
    Just a little FYI. You should be cursing those dunes. Without the plants there to stabilize them, all the sand would fly into the ocean and make sandbars. Come on guys!!! Ever heard of Cape St. Francis????