Florida... Orlando, specifically

So there was traffic, police activity and reporters at the crime scene of a mass shooting?? Wow, crazy

 

Are you seriously gonna give me sh!t about posting a first-hand account? Why can't you just shut the fvck up and move on? You don't have to watch the video you know.

 

Thank you for clarifying, it is indeed. Care to gawk with me? I figured the anti-muslim/firearm rhetoric was getting boring for you guys.

 

Self-obsessed combined with self-aggrandizement. How do I get that 4:26 of my life back??

 

The doorman did his civic duty to stop a terrorist. The shame is that he was the only one packing. Imagine if someone had his 6, could provide cover fire, flank the shooter, etc.

As far as having the firepower to stop a trained gunman... This goat f**king kook is no more of a trained gunman than anyone who has ever been to a firing range. IF the AR15 was fully automatic, or a "machine gun" it's illegal to own anyways, so gun control is a mute point. The only way to legally own a fully auto ar-15 is to buy a pre-ban receiver, which currently goes for about $30,000 on the legit market, and you have to apply for the most difficult form of background check / tax stamp in order to own it. Something tells me Jihad Johnny didn't go through that process.

Also, all of that said- I'd rather have a pistol in close quarters than an AR15 any day. The only leg up would be the magazine capacity of the rifle. It is heavy, awkward, shoots a tiny projectile (.223 / 5.56nato), and is deafeningly loud. They are also about as dependable as a used Mercedes benz.

If you want to argue gun control, you need to know the existing laws, and at least a little bit about guns.

 

You can't but thanks for the view! What's self-obsessed about it anyway? I really value your analysis.

 

and I'll say it loud and proud Mohammed Ali was a draft dodging hypocrite who is ok with making millions beating people on a stage but would not go get shot at for his country. Great boxer, yes, model American, not exactly.

 

I'm sorry I just can't believe that after hearing that an islamic extremist terrorist murdered 50 Americans, on American soil, the first response from some folks is to take away our guns? I have actually never heard of a better argument in favor of owning a gun.

2000 th post! yeah buddy 8=======>~~~~

 

I'm sorry for not entertaining you with video of 50 people getting murdered. Do you realize how messed up you are? How the hell am I getting in the way of people trying to live? I was walking down a city sidewalk not climbing on people's roofs?

 

So I have a friend\coworker whose a Muslim from Iran. The guy managed to escape Iran about 20 years ago with his immediate family, but he still has a lot of family stuck there. He's an engineer and he's worked very hard to assimilate into our culture and become a US citizen, along with the rest of his family. He's a very intelligent, politically savvy guy and one of the few people I know that can talk politics w\o degenerating into ad homenim attacks. And he hates fundamentalist Islam with a passion we can't truly understand. He's seen first hand what its like to live under a repressive, backwards-a$$ regime. He had friends\family that were detained, tortured, etc. Some that just disappeared, never to be seen again. He would like very much to see the aholes that hijacked his homeland run out and for it to become a modern, western style democracy. But he also understands how hard it is for the people there to do that.

Like I mentioned, he's a Muslim from Iran. Some of you might have bristled just reading that, but if you met him, you'd think differently. He's a clean shaven, khaki and button down wearing, BMW driving. nuclear family having, golf playing, NFL loving guy who is eternally grateful that he was able to make it to this country and was able to become a citizen. He loves and cares about this country a lot more than some of the natural born, Murica flag waving patriots I know. His wife\kids don't wear bhurkas (which is great b\c his wife a drop dead model gorgeous), he's not dropping and praying to Mecca 5x day, and doesn't go the mosque except on rare occasions. He's a Muslim like some of my Christian friends. If he takes a survey, he'll chech that box, but that's about it. Honestly, if you met the guy at the 19th hole and he told you his name was Georgio from Athens and was a Christain you'd never think twice about it. By most yardsticks he's a model US citizen. I bet if you met him you'd say we need more people like him, and would trade out some of the natural born idiots in return.

Like I said, he hates the fundamentalist ideology with a passion that we really can't understand, as he's personally suffered from it, and has family still stuck there and still suffering from it. He's a staunch defender of the constitution, bill of rights, and western ideals. His opinion is that we should not be allowing ANY of these fundamentalist aholes in the country, and should be deporting any that are here. He thinks it madness to allow people to enter and remain who's core values are the destruction of our society and way of life. It would be like Iran opening it's gates to every gun-toting, Muslim hating redneck on the planet and declaring open season.

He's also very much concerned about the rhetoric these days, not so much on a personal level, as like I said he doesn't really stand out as an Iranian Muslim. What concerns him is how this is being used by both sides to increase the governments control over it's own citizens, slowly chipping away at our rights and liberties under the guise of protecting us. He's said more than once to not ever let them take away the 2nd amendment, as then we won't have a chance. "If only the good people in my country had guns like you do." The patriot act, the NSA databases, all that crap. He knows first hand what its like to not have any rights or recourse against the guvmint.

BREAK...

 

He's also mentioned how both the US and Iranian government get a great deal of benefit from having an enemy out there and neither have any real interest in seeing that change. Hard to take away peoples rights if they feel secure, right?

So honestly, would any of you sit down and talk with this guy face to face and tell him he needs to GTFO of this country and take his family with him? Or tell him if given the opportunity he shouldn't bring any of his family over since their all a bunch of terrorists? Or tell him we should bomb the piss out of his homeland and kill his family and that will solve all our problems?

It's easy to sit back on the internets and come up with simple solutions for easy problems. Get rid of 'em all. Kill them all. Give them hugs. Drop bombs. Close the borders. Open the borders wide. Take away all the guns. Give everybody guns. It's a much different deal when you have to confront those issues face to face and see the real human cost involved.

As usual, I ain't here to tell anyone what to think, what to do, or pretend I have the answers. I'm just trying to give y'all a lil food for thought.

Sorry for the novel, I wanted to give this guy his fair due since he's got no interest in coming on here and arguing with a bunch of ahole surfers.

 

It's a rare man that can admit they were wrong, and ever rarer to do so publicly. It shows character. Props to you, stanky.

 

Alright let me clarify for your senile a$$ before you have a heart attack.

I live less than a mile away, I stayed at a friends the night prior to the incident which is why you see us driving into the city. I wasn't really "going out of my way" but rather walking down a couple blocks. Besides I don't think getting my own footage is worse than watching the news from the safety of my own home, like seriously who believes the sh!t they show you anyway? I wanted to see for myself, so I did. And yeah, I reacted. A lot of people would. And I filmed it, I don't think it was wrong at all.

 

I now enough about fire arms. I now a .223 is much more accurate at distance than an off duty cops 2nd side arm. which is usually shorter barrel than his first. The fire fight took place outside the club not in so distance and accuracy could be important. An untrained customer in a establishment shouldn't need to have someones six. well maybe at this place.

Yeah I called it a machine gun so what? but a semi automatic AR beats hand gun even if the hand gun operator is trained he is at a disadvantage. Small projectile but a lot of lead. Birdshot is small but throw a sh!t load at it at a flock of birds and they go down. otherwise why do I need to shoot a semi auto 10 gauge? Things a beast.

He had an AR 15. something you say isn't dependable yet he did kill all those people with it. so it kind of worked.

All that aside. I don't want to argue gun control. You said if one person had a gun. well one person had one. still people died. Now you are saying more people should have had guns. If they did and still people died what would you say then? See how it can escalate? If 20 people had guns and they were all around the club and opened fire on the guy how many would go down in friendly fire?

All I'm saying is maybe if the guy couldn't easily get an AR then maybe it might not have happened. Maybe.

I'll take it to the school scenario again. Madman walks into a school with an easily obtained AR and starts going off. whole classrooms go down. A few grown ups that are armed take him out but not before you and I have lost our kids. They saved lives sure but not our kids. Our kids are gone.

Wouldn't it be better if the guy couldn't easily get the AR in the first place? Couldn't that prevent some of this violence? Is that really that perverse an idea?

 

Hopefully the real lesson is that I am never wrong.

 

It's time for you to go away now, sparky

 

Regardless of your take on things I think we can all agree on the below:

1. Mass shooting/terrioist attack
2. Nation talks about it for 2 weeks
3. Does nothing
4. Moves on to other topics
5. Repeat

 

Thanks LazyE. Just wish I had more answers than questions.

 

Fixed if for ya...