'Be good to your knees, you'll miss them when they're gone.' So, I had PRP - - Platelet-Rich Plasma Injection - - this week. And I thought I'd share with youse buoyz how it went. Because, your shoulders & knees & hips have got to be hurtin' after a lifetime of surfing, lacrosse, baseball, football, other sports. And maybe this can offer some relief. Reason: knee was killing me. Couldn't walk without limp; couldn't walk down even mild grades without pain; stairs were hell; this came on pretty bad the past 24 or so months. Cause: so many hundreds of games as pro-level catcher, then pitcher, taking the pounding in the days before knee saver pads, many contact sports, years of pounding via sports from HS on up. I went to see an ortho who specializes in knees. Xrays, MRI = not good. Recommends PRP. Ok. Procedure: they take a vial of your blood from your arm. Nothing amazing there. Spin it in a centrifuge. Lay you back, inject into your knee. It's about as much pain as a hangnail, i.e., nearly nothing. Injection is over within 5 seconds. Post-procedure: Walk to car, drive home. Minor stiffness. Ice it that evening. Rest. Next few days: take it easy, nothing load-bearing, no cycling or surfing, just normal civilian stuff. And. I gotta say. This might be the placebo effect, ok, but I have zero pain in my knee post-procedure. I have PT exercises scheduled for this coming week to strengthen. Then the second injection two weeks after #1. No surfing for 6 weeks. No cycling, same. Just let the PRP work. I am pretty keen to see how this works out. So far, so good. Fire away with any questions. I'm as skeptical of this stuff as anyone - - but when my GP told me, oh, yah, you're going to try that, that's good 'cause I have an 80 yr old woman patient who was going to get her hip replaced by the cutters & she tried PRP & it's been over 3 yrs, no pain, full mobility, and she's not the only one of my patients - - that stuff works. Cost: $400 per injection plus the $30 visit fee; not covered by my insurance. Sucks, but in my world it's body first, wallet second. Worth it to me. 'It was used as early as the 1990s in maxillo-facial and plastic surgery. PRP injections are prepared from one to a few tubes of the patient’s own blood with strict aseptic technique. After being centrifuged, the activated platelets are injected into the abnormal tissue, releasing growth factors that recruit and increase the proliferation of reparative cells. Ultrasound imaging may or may not be used to guide the injection. Several clinical studies have demonstrated that PRP injections have improved function and decreased pain to various maladies, including - but not limited to - elbow, wrist, shoulder, hip, knee, and ankle tendonosis. Early work is also showing promise for osteoarthritis. The side effects of PRP injections are very limited as the patient is utilizing their own blood, which they should have no reaction to. Some relative rest is needed immediately following the procedure, then usually followed by a progressive stretching and strengthening program.'
Best of luck, Yankee. I hope it works for you. Been having my share of chronic aches and pains. Especially in the morning. Past injuries, current physical activities, getting old and all that.
Yank, thanks for the info as a lot of us have old joints that are worn from much sports activities. Keep us posted on how things progress. Fortunately we live in an age where there are many new and innovative approaches to help remedy these kinds of things. I read about one possibility using silk (http://www.cocoonbiotech.com in pre-clinical studies for long term efficacy), so hopefully more alternatives to surgery (or replacement) will become available. I know that replacement works, but the invasiveness and recovery time are less than desireable.Hopefully based on the success of these treatments they will become mainstream, more cost effective, and covered by insurance. Hoping and praying for a timely and complete recovery. Be well.
Thanks for info Yank. Hope it works out. I've been having serious issues with both wrists and my left shoulder. I will ask my doc about it.
Nice... good to hear. From what I've read about and spoken to people who have looked into knee replacement, they say knee replacement wears out. It seems the wedge of metal they put into your leg gets pounded down and eventually has be be removed and new one put in. So... people often wait years before getting it done, so they'll only have to do it once.
Heard that, too, regarding knee replacement. Trying to never have that done if at all possible. Gotta figure that the technology is improving every few yrs, just hang in there until someone invents a way to replicate cartilage. Forget curing cancer, there's the mega-billion dollar idea: cartilage! Thanks for the positive karma, gents, much appreciated. Next injection: March 2. Will post progress when I have news. Will also post up reports from friends who are having PRP for shoulders that hurt when paddling.
Good luck yank, i hope it continues to work for you. I may of missed it, but what exactly was wrong with the knee? Just pain due to cartilage wearing down? I'm young. Young enough. 27. My knees are pretty shot. Well, i guess there ok. But i have issues sometimes. And i just know when i'm older the issues will just grow. They already have grown plenty from my HS days till now. Surfing, football, lacrosse, judo, and now with my job. The knees take a beating. Always thought i had a slight meniscus tear from talking to others who've had those issues. But was always able to deal with the pain so never got it officially checked out. If you have success with this, it gives me hope for when i get older. So i thank you for posting. Definitely keep us updated. And good luck again
Good luck Yanqui. Just my personal opinion, so feel free to flame away: I don't understand how spinning a vial of blood equals "medicine". If this were true, I'd pull out a syringe and shake it up in a paint shaker. But I don't have a degree in Medicine, so I may have to plead Ignorance in the 1st Degree. Personally, I believe that Stem Cell Research will put us on the right track...if certain demographics can iron out all the philosophical differences that tend to come with such research. Cloning is an excellent example. GMO's could fall under this topic as well. OTOH, past research medicines which were extracted from the human biology have had catastrophic effects on their subjects. SCR could wind up hurting many people before it actually pans out to be legitimate medicine. Back on topic: I've read a few studies on PRP, most of which lean towards the "placebo effect". But many athletes with a lot of money to spend swear by the procedure. It may be a few years before we realize that PRP is recognized as legitimate, or ultimately discovered to be snake oil. YMMV
Yank.... I'm glad you're getting good results.. Ive been in orthopedics for 25 yrs + as a surg tech... And later as a rep... Now I'm a professor... I can tell you PRP...works .. And stem cells ...even better. I've been a part of the trials, studies, and the results are solid. I had my acl done in 2015 And used PRP...recovered much faster.. Stronger..than a simple knee scope in 2012. In fact I'm having shoulder surgery(bicep tendon/ rotator cuff tear) March 17.. And will be using PRP.
Wow Yankee, I am so glad you're getting good results. My sister had knee replacement 5 years ago by one of the top knee surgeons in nation. He nicked a nerve, resulting in permanent foot drop and is permanently now using a cane. So, seems to me you found a better and safer route for sure. Will send her your post for her other knee. SwellInfo is an excellent place for medical advise.
Thanks...nice to take a vacation to nowhere. Spent every minute of it with my wife. And some with my daughter and granddaughter. Did not do much right in life, but I definitely did marry the right girl 44 years ago. (Sorry, yank...but it is true; they're not all like your evil lesser half!! Better luck next time, and yes, it is a toss of the dice, to be sure)
Gracias to y'all on all counts. And Barry, you know the saying 'lucky at cards unlucky at love' well that might be my lot in life bruddah, it's all good though. Keed, I can't speak to the technology, wouldn't even try to do so. Over the past 10 yrs, I've had both left & right knees meniscus 'scoped & shaved down. Immediate relief which has lasted for yrs, but of course that's just kicking the can down the road, right? Deferring the inevitable (arthritis). Surgery is invasive, and has been linked to shortened life spans (stress on the body, the silent killer being stress). So, I try my darndest to avoid surgeries. If PRP is merely placebo effect, yet it somehow stimulates my mind to ease the pain, then I'm ok with it. Kinda interesting stuff emerging lately in re the placebo effect: there is evidence that the placebos can actually trigger the release of brain chemicals that mimic the effect of real drugs and treatments. Once again demonstrating that our most powerful, and under-utilized, aspect is one's own mind. Hey Betty, there are so many butchers out there. My brother had a similar thing happen to him as what happened to your friend. Cutter went in to his knee to shave down his meniscus, and decided on his own to shave the inside of my brother's kneecap. Holy effing keerist. Over a year later & my brother is still in constant pain from said unauthorized quackery. I might add, I told him not to use that guy - - but he went anyways because he was conveniently located. Brings to mind the old joke. What do you call the guy who graduated first in his class at med school? Doctor. What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class at med school? Doctor. Caveat emptor!
Good stuff! I'd really like to hear how that post-op goes regarding your shoulder procedure. I've got a torn rotator & a torn labrum, same shoulder, but have managed to stave off the cutters with daily PT exercises that really worked out for me. PRP might be a possibility ....?