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nynj · Nov 14, 2013

You think people steal because drugs are illegal? That is just ridiculous.

Let me teach you how it works buddy. You shoot heroin for a while. Soon you've spent every dollar you have on it. But you still need more to keep straight. You probably steal from your parents first. Then when they kick you out you start robbing houses. Eventually you are jacking people at gun point because you are desperate.

You think if it was legal that would change? If you're thinking about weed that's one thing. But there will always be junkies and junkies steal.

MakeItStop said: ↑

its not name calling when its the truth, you are justifying immoral behavior from an authority figure

there wouldn't be drug crimes if they weren't illegal to begin with. plants and molecules being illegal creates black markets which in turn create criminals and the associated problems therein.

the state, by making the things illegal, makes the crime.

allow a regular market for those items and the incentive for criminals to peddle them would disappear

I like where your head is at, just follow the thought train all the way to the station
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nynj · Nov 14, 2013

And I was never justifying immoral behavior. I was just saying that I hear a lot of people *****ing about being "watched" but I doubt anyone was actually watching them.
I don't want to be watched, but I've never felt like I have been.

MakeItStop said: ↑

its not name calling when its the truth, you are justifying immoral behavior from an authority figure

there wouldn't be drug crimes if they weren't illegal to begin with. plants and molecules being illegal creates black markets which in turn create criminals and the associated problems therein.

the state, by making the things illegal, makes the crime.

allow a regular market for those items and the incentive for criminals to peddle them would disappear

I like where your head is at, just follow the thought train all the way to the station
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HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI · Nov 14, 2013

I think you are missing a step
bags are expensive-ish.
If someone who has a 10 bag a day habit can get bags for a nickel on the dollar cause the substance didnt have to make it through customs in someone's butt, they wouldn't need to steal as it is so cheap.

Gutter winos drink cheap a$$ garbage. My alcoholic friends hold down jobs (kinda) and get belligerent by 4pm. I think some junkies could function in society VERY VERY HIGH. They can function high for one reason or another, and they can function better if they don't have to worry about being priced out of their next fix. Some will spiral down, others would eventually tire of chasing the dragon and seek help

If price isnt a factor (to necessitate stealing) and 'tax money' isn't being spent on interdiction and jail then 'tax money' can be spent on social programs and helping treat the sickness as opposed to treating a sick person like a criminal.

does that compute or am I living a fantasy

HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI · Nov 14, 2013

and NJNY you are being watched, your buying habits are noted via any online purchases and ads are sent to your inbox. google admits to reading your mail and selling the info to advertisers

then NSA and other agencies buy (with your tax dollars)your data from the companies

you are watched, likely you are an ok person who doesnt send out red flags, but you are watched

nynj · Nov 14, 2013

Heroin is not expensive. It's actually very cheap. That's why so many turn to dope when they can't afford Oxy's anymore. And making it legal will not make it any cheaper. It will probably cost more because there would be tax added.

MakeItStop said: ↑

I think you are missing a step
bags are expensive-ish.
If someone who has a 10 bag a day habit can get bags for a nickel on the dollar cause the substance didnt have to make it through customs in someone's butt, they wouldn't need to steal as it is so cheap.

Gutter winos drink cheap a$$ garbage. My alcoholic friends hold down jobs (kinda) and get belligerent by 4pm. I think some junkies could function in society VERY VERY HIGH. They can function high for one reason or another, and they can function better if they don't have to worry about being priced out of their next fix. Some will spiral down, others would eventually tire of chasing the dragon and seek help

If price isnt a factor (to necessitate stealing) and 'tax money' isn't being spent on interdiction and jail then 'tax money' can be spent on social programs and helping treat the sickness as opposed to treating a sick person like a criminal.

does that compute or am I living a fantasy
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HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI · Nov 14, 2013

there is NO WAY an illegal substance would go up in price once legalized. Even if it were taxed up to its original street price, you would have tax evaders undercutting the 'official cost' You made up a falsehood to support your erroneous argument.

much of your points and arguments are not based on logic but on your perceptions of how you think things are

You say you dont feel like you are spied on, so none of us are being spied on: wrong, I can cite many articles to the contrary

nynj · Nov 14, 2013

1st - the price WOULD NOT go down from $5 a bag if it was legal. Even if it went to $4 you'd still have the same problems. Obviously you've never been around any junkies or in a neighborhood where it's a problem. NONE of what I said is false. If you think so you are just wrong.

2nd- everyone arguments are based on their own perceptions Einstein.... Your argument is that the "man" is watching us all. And you back it up with articles you've read. Cite them all you want, but have you ever had an issue because you were spied on or know anyone that has? Not just a guy that told a story online? I know I haven't.

You live in fear of something that does not impact your life

nynj · Nov 14, 2013

Ho many deserved it? You make it sound like cops are walking down the street capping people. That's just ridiculous.
How many innocent people do you know that have been shot by a cop? I know I don't.
If a cop shoots an innocent man he deserves to be punished just like anyone else. If a cop shoots a person that is threatening others lives, they deserved it.

MakeItStop said: ↑

the police shoot and kill 500-1000 people a year, thats like 2-5 worth of 911's since 911

I give a range because they dont even keep stats!!!! that is criminal!!!
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HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI · Nov 14, 2013

thanks for the Einstein compliment, but I am assuming it was sarcastic, name calling much .....

So, people 'deserve' to be killed eh...glad you feel as though cops should be judge jury and executioner. there are nonlethal technologies that could incapacitate SUSPECTS and bring them before a judge.

Also, your argument about perception has a point, however, you have been shown new data and still refuse to believe it (goosemagoos article). You are like a religious zealot. So you are saying that since I dont have firsthand experience, its not happening...that makes no sense. I have never calculated the thrust of airplane or Bernoulli's principle' however airplanes are still flying around.

THERE IS AN ABUNDANCE OF PROOF OF CONSTANT Surveillance. Your denial of this makes me suspect you have an agenda, thus I return to my original shill comment.

nynj · Nov 14, 2013

I do apologize for the Einstein comment.

I do not believe cops should be judge, jury and executioner. But cops only shoot people when there is the threat of danger is lethal. They don't just shoot someone that is not a threat. Are there bad cops that do bad sh*t, yes. But saying it like they just shoot people that don't like is crazy.

I DO think that govt is corrupt and they do horrible things. But I think people exaggerate the being watched thing. One person in an article saying that something happened to them does not change my opinion.

You want me to change my opinion based on some guy saying the cops showed up at his house and he did nothing wrong... And I'm saying maybe you could base your opinion on what you see with your eyes every day.

MakeItStop said: ↑

thanks for the Einstein compliment, but I am assuming it was sarcastic, name calling much .....

So, people 'deserve' to be killed eh...glad you feel as though cops should be judge jury and executioner. there are nonlethal technologies that could incapacitate SUSPECTS and bring them before a judge.

Also, your argument about perception has a point, however, you have been shown new data and still refuse to believe it (goosemagoos article). You are like a religious zealot. So you are saying that since I dont have firsthand experience, its not happening...that makes no sense. I have never calculated the thrust of airplane or Bernoulli's principle' however airplanes are still flying around.

THERE IS AN ABUNDANCE OF PROOF OF CONSTANT Surveillance. Your denial of this makes me suspect you have an agenda, thus I return to my original shill comment.
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HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI · Nov 14, 2013

no need to apologize. I am an @$$hole. I can handle it. I was pointing out the inconsistency in your comments.
I think you need to expand your horizons. There are more cases of surveillance than 'just one guy at work with a poorly worded search engine phrase' There are more cases of brutality and murder committed by cops than 'just one guy'

just youtube police behavior.....and those are the ones that were on video......many more cases that werent recorded.......some towns are requiring cops to wear camera mounted vests. This is a step int he right direction (ironically)

I was looking at buying a mattress online.....presto all of my ads on the side of my browser start showing matresses....the computers and software do the spying, alarms get sent to humint for threat categorization

http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/

cheers dog

nynj · Nov 14, 2013

I think we agree on what's right an wrong... I just don't think it goes on as much as some think. That statistic, for instance, of how many people were killed by cops. I bet if we looked at each one 99.9% would be justified.

It's easy to youtube police behavior and see the .01%... But where's the youtube video of the 99.9% that are doing the right thing? There are good and bad people in ALL professions. I like to think that most are good, but that's just me... The problem is when you get a bad one in a position of power it's dangerous.

I agree with company's spying. I know that goes on.

goosemagoo · Jan 31, 2021

goosemagoo said: ↑

What I do worry about stems from the bureaucratic types that come up with patriot act laws and dept of homeland security who then say if you're not doing anything wrong there's nothing to worry about. Then they use those laws [which are much more freedom restricting than state/local laws] that were conceived in order to battle domestic terrorism on PJB's ex-friends that are selling a little weed on the corner in Camden.

Once again it's a slippery slope. Remember the gubment employees are like everyone else, they have bosses to answer to and will do almost whatever they can legally get away with in order to impress said bosses to get promoted/elected. I just don't want an environment to exist where I can be fodder in that process.

Sure you can do whatever the fu*k you want but have you checked the hourly price of a lawyer lately? Do you have the financial resources to prove your innocence? Because, that premise seems to be the direction federal laws are heading. The common sense train left long ago and rolled out of sight on 9/11.
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I was trying to remember a quote and knew I typed this somewhere on the interwebs. Still feel the same way.

Man this place really....
Out of respect for the og's still usung this to keep up with the local bros I'll just say, what a shame such a fun community went poof.

headhigh · Feb 1, 2021

cepriano said: ↑

some cool stories.i always enjoy hearing a crazy tale of a night out.one thing I never had was brooms,never had the right contacts or whatever.i once got a tab of asid leaving the ozzfest many years ago,but either it was weak or fake because I never felt anything.
so heres a little story,nothing special.i remember it was new yrs eve quite a few years ago around the time they came out with that new 100 proof soco.now I wouldn't consider myself a drinker,i actually despise drinking but phuk it right.so we got 2 bottles of sogo,a hit of x+y(codes lol) and 3 l's twisted.my buddy was stressed out and didn't feel like partyin,i don't know why he even came over but he brought the provisions,so im drinken most of it by myself.i remember we started gettin a buzz around 7 and around 10 hit me full blast,everything started gettin sideways and hot so I went to the kitchen window for some air(I lived on the 2nd floor and outside the window is my neighbors roof),so I was hot and feelin like I might puke so I casually went out the window and layed down in the snow.it was comin down pretty hard and by the time anyone figured out wtf I was,they noticed me partially buried in the snow and thought it was funny so they left me there.so around the time the ball drops im passed out on the roof and my neighbors been partyin so they came out to the backyard and noticed me on the roof so they start screamin and talkin shyt.i woke up to a bunch of retards yelling at me lol,and I was still pretty fukd up,so I came down from the roof and got into a fight with one of my neighbors people.this guy was twice the size and weight of me,and much older,and hes talkin all this shyt so when he turned around I grabbed his hoodie and pulled him to the ground and started fighten,then out of nowhere I start pukin like crazy so halfway thru the fight I run around to my house so I can stop puken and catch my breath from all the adrenaline.my boys are still out there so after I calm down I went back out there and everyones bein cool and the guy admitted he was in the wrong and it was fun and we should box sometime.well it wasn't fun and games and I woke up with a black eye and the neighbors friend never came around again.it was a hectic way to bring in the new year
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LOL I miss Cep.

Also, #9/12

whoisJOB · Feb 1, 2021

holy 8 yr old tread

dig the philosophy goose

why lament lost wars? this place had months and yrs of opportunity for recovery but the collective let it die. autocracy is eventually allowed, not forced

headhigh · Feb 1, 2021

Here you are though

This place "died" because the forecaste model went to shchite. The other site was promised to have a forecaste and that never materialized. Also the UI over there is painfully outdated and annoying. I was on forums in 1999 that had a better UI. Again, promises made about updating it and never came thru and we're almost at the 2 year mark. I just couldn't get into it. FLsurfdogs thread is tight though...

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