since we are all WAF here, who is the real oppressor, the pro that gets 50 free boards a month, or the board builder who charges you $800 a board without fins?
Wow dude, I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that one. Kinda like the "chicken or the egg" thing. FWIW my shaper is charging $800 plus he's throwing in a set of his own self-foiled fins. Your question makes me feel like I'm stealing candy from the mouths of babies.
Neither. If a shaper can charge $800 and people are willing to pay, what's the problem? If you can't afford it, move on. If a brand thinks that by sending a pro free boards will have a good ROI, that's on them. Who the f*** even cares? You sound like a teenage girl who is upset her parents won't buy her expensive makeup, "I HATE my parents but I think I hate the makeup company more because they give free stuff to Kim K and not ME!"
If I need/ want a board I buy one. As far as saving the planet ... No way. i dont think we make a dif. Yeah it feels good to pick up trash and buy locally grown food and do the best we can but were all different dudes. Nothing more nothing less...do your thing
How is the Pro, an oppressor? The Pro is just taking advantage of the ROI calculations that the board builder ran. If it makes sense for the builder, they will do it. The Pro is just the conduit through which we see those boards. Indy shapers charge what the market will bear. That's how this free market sh!t works. Yeah, they could probably still make decent coin selling them for $500, but then they would have more orders, a longer backlog and more impatient and irritated customers. Raising the price reduces the backlog to a manageable list of buyers that want their wares so bad they are willing to pay a premium for them.
OK - you're broke, and jealous of people who can afford brand name gear. You also seem to have some sort of oppression fetish where you try and warp normal every day situations to make yourself look and feel like a victim. Maybe ask your parents to buy you a used surfboard off Craigslist. Something they can afford. Also, what's WAF? More teenage girl s***?
https://www.swellinfo.com/forum/threads/tell-me-again-why-your-boards-start-at-700.32518/ Here's a link to the last time this broke ass retard wanted to try and talk shit. He even refers to himself in the third person. What a f****** idiot. Here's a tip, put down the keyboard and go get a real job. Eventually you'll save up enough to move out of your parents house. Next step could be buying a surfboard if you stick with it.
Can you repeat the question... I'm not understanding. Maybe rephrase? I don't know who the pro would be oppressing... his sponsors? Who would the board builder being oppressing... the guy who bought his board? Neither one makes sense to me.
Compared to the past, there are very few "Free" boards being given out. Those days are over with the exception of an elite few.
On a side note the OP should get off of his duff and do something about his situation rather than complaining about it. Back in the late 80s I taught myself how to make boards in part because I was a young kid who couldn't afford new off the rack. The materials are widely available today unlike when I was starting out. You can make yourself a board for about $250 if you want it bad enough and even less if you want to get innovative with materials.
By the way, a typical board costs me as a backyard hack about $220 in materials. Add to that the tools I've purchased. A legit board builder has rent, mortgage, employees, insurance and taxes to pay for. It takes about 10 hours of labor to complete a board and most of that 10 hours exposes the builders to toxic chemicals, fumes and dust. Perhaps boards should start at $1,000.
^absolutely a voice of reason and experience. However, I do not think popouts like boardworks/surfteks/firewires meet your criteria and yet, those companies are the ones that started the ballooned prices on the backs of cheap (basically slave) labor. For the record, $400-$580 will get more repeat business than the higher pp
I think it's a legitimate discussion. May or may not be factual or correct, but his argument is plausible. If you're not convinced, then punch holes in his argument with facts and logic. It's a little early in the game for name-calling. Save that for the Trump threads. FWIW, I'm in the corner that handcrafted surfboards are a relative deal nowadays, considering the labor and materials involved. I'd need to build a lot of surfboards to pay my bills. OTOH, there's a trend towards popout technology, which would make the boards considerably less expensive to produce. So the OP has a legit point.