Wavehouse Ocean City, MD????????????

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by wavehunter, Feb 21, 2008.

  1. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18, 2007
    So,


    I've been talking to alot of my friends who have the desire AND means, including myself, to start such a thing and the only concern that has come up is the OFFSEASON........... bleh. So. What is everyone's take on how well/poor it would do? First off, I welcome all oppinions and look forward to everything that this thread might start.
     
  2. Jettylife521

    Jettylife521 Well-Known Member

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    Jul 16, 2007
    Make one in NJ too!!! :D No offense but wouldn't want to travel 2 hours to MD from NJ to "ride" an artificial wave...:(
     

  3. mr67240

    mr67240 New Member

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    Nov 29, 2007
    ive been dreaming for one of those since i was a kid. Hit one up on the Royal Carib. ship this aug. It was a bit more laid back than the 8" "black hole" in the caymans I attempted to ride. That s*** was serious, with a lip that would chew u up and spit u out like a mean toilet. Its defiantly a whole new world on one of those crazy ass machines. It think with enough effort and financial backing (and maybe a little connect w/ the mayor) you could make it happen. Even with the smaller crowds in the off season, there would be ways to keep up your revenues. But, what do i know, I'm just a college kid....
     
  4. OceanCityBB

    OceanCityBB Active Member

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    Nov 12, 2007
    Two Words: Hells Yeah!

    That would be freaking awesome. Do you have any ideas how boring it can get with a week long lull in swells here in OC? I would be the first one in line, make it happen.
     
  5. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18, 2007
    After living here ALL of my post graduate life, I do have an idea how boring it can get..... hence the idea..... the only place we have found enough property would be where the old "DIESEL" night club was, but they are reluctant to sell.........
     
  6. jimbo_robinson

    jimbo_robinson Well-Known Member

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    Nov 21, 2007
    that would be the ****. I would love it, I know plenty of people that would use it.
     
  7. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    i agree the big question is if there is enough population that would use it in the off season...

    I'd guess it wouldnt do too well in the off season, but maybe the summer season is enough?
     
  8. epidemicepic

    epidemicepic Well-Known Member

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    Feb 21, 2008
    i think you would do good buisness all year given the growing surfer population around here, i live about an hour from OC and i would be there all the time if you guys built it!! btw... are we talking a standing wave, or a full on japanese style ocean dome?
     
  9. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18, 2007
    Talking about a standing wave such as the likes of the Wavehouse in Mission Beach, CA. After we've done the cost analysis and everything, assuming that we could get the property that we need, it unfortunately would hinge on whether or not we could acquire an alcohol license. As lame as that sounds, it would be pretty much the only way that it could possibly be profitable.
     
  10. epidemicepic

    epidemicepic Well-Known Member

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    Feb 21, 2008
    haha i dont blame you for the liquor licence, what is that like 3/4 of the profit for any buisness in OC ?? .... it might be hard to get though if your talking about drunkards dropping in on shallow standing waves hahaha.
     
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  11. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18, 2007
    It's called a flow rider. They're alot of fun. The major difference between a flow rider and surfing is that when you're playing around with the flow rider you've got no fins. The boards are a whole lot like a skimboard but much more narrow. Some have bindings and some don't, depends on your skill level. All in all it's alot of fun but when it comes down to it, it's no substitute for the real thing, but it's definitely a VERY CLOSE 2nd!!!!
     
  12. mikedub

    mikedub Well-Known Member

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    Aug 2, 2007
    There was a thread like this on surfingoc or delsurf a while ago and I think someone found info. on the cost of owning one of these and it was in millions with insurance and everything. So if you can afford it, I say do it up.
     
  13. steelwave42

    steelwave42 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 7, 2006
    That I can understand... it is OC afterall, the town rich on booze. BUT, that's all good, I say do whatever you can to cover the cost of the flowrider. Looks pretty fun, I'd give it a go. I've heard from a friend of mine opening a bar that getting a liquor liscense is a little bit tougher around here, but I think being that your providing a place to enhance the "surf culture" of this place, you would be alright. Understand that your going to help out OTHER peoples businesses along with the tourist draw. Not much not to like for the money people of this town.

    I do really think you would make enough when the season was on. Think about it, that's what pretty much EVERYONE does down here. Right now this place is shut down, but on season you'd have loads of tourists lined up for a ready made wave, and if they're parents could get all bombed up in the meantime, it's a sure shot... go for it man. And I do think you would get some people in the off season, just not nearly as much. Prob enough to stay open tho. I'd definately be there during flat spells, either riding it or getting loaded watching people eat it. DO IT. Good Luck!!!
     
  14. Carson

    Carson Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2006
    What was it before Diesel? I'm old and way out of the Nightclub scene in OC.
     
  15. Carson

    Carson Well-Known Member

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    May 19, 2006
    That unfortunate that you can't come up with a viable business plan that doesn't include servicing alcohol. The liability insurance on this is going to be through the roof to begin with. Have you talked to any underwriters to see if they would cover this venture if you served alcohol? Do you know if any of the other standing wave places serve alcohol? How about making it a part of a sports complex with batting cages, laser tag, video games, etc? Something that you could draw kids for birthday parties and that type of thing. You could serve food there and you can make some money with that. Not booze money, mind you, but real money to cover some of the expenses. Maybe the standing wave would be better as a part of an existing water park, like the one at Jolly Rogers. Maybe work out a deal with someone like that to bring in your equipment and rent space from them. You will have the captive audience from the water park guests, some of whom may choose to pluck down the extra money to try out the wave.

    Just a few ideas for you.
     
  16. CharlieInOC

    CharlieInOC Well-Known Member

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    Sep 17, 2007
    I seem to remember something about Six Flags considering openning a water park, which may have included a wave machine in West OC or somewhere around St. Martins, a couple of years ago. I don't think the #s worked out for them. I would think a location like the old Diesal Niteclub would be to expensive from the Real Estate investment required. I know of a major wavepool in Japan that just closed because profit margins where never met. This would require a serious committment and would be quite risky as far as a business idea. Power to you, but my take would be if it wasn't a really well done park, people would become tired of it quickly.
     
  17. Dawn_Patrol

    Dawn_Patrol Well-Known Member

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    Jan 26, 2007
    there are already plans for one from the rumors i hear...
     
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  18. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18, 2007
    Time will tell, there a ton of obstacles to overcome and insurance is just the tip of the iceberg. It's hard to run a business that makes 90% of its income in 5 months out of the year. Anyone who has a business in Ocean City can attest to that. Ocean City requires ridiculous insurance coverage ($2M liability minimum) and covering costs in about 150 days per year is close to impossible, but hey, there are a ton of businesses.... my friends, who make it work, so like I said, time will tell.
     
  19. TDTubes

    TDTubes Well-Known Member

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    May 30, 2007
    $2million in liability is not very much coverage if I were you having something like that I would want a lot more. You should have atleast $300,000 to a million just driving a round. Good luck finding insurance if you are serving alcohol, no insurance company in their right mind would give you coverage becuase the likely hood of someone breaking their neck on the wave after a few drinks is extremely high, even if they know what they are doing. Carson's idea about having batting cages, go carts, etc sounds a lot more viable.
     
  20. wavehunter

    wavehunter Well-Known Member

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    Dec 18, 2007
    Obviously there would be "bouncers" who would use their better judgment just like every other similar establishment in the area. Ideally, alcohol is for the dining aspect, not so you can get tanked and then go kill yourself on the flowrider. I mean, it works out in a handful of other places around the country, but I think that the serious barrier to entry is the seasonality of OC.