a. what does wearing tight jeans have anything to do with anything being talked about. b. riding a 50lb. at 10 feet is more difficult then some of manuevers being pulled today, seriously try riding one, that is if you can pick it up. c. I'll take andy's back side cutties under the lip and into a left barrel before any air. d. when you talk about modern collective, great movie, a lot of those airs were fly aways. E. sorry zach619, the way you post and ask questions, I find it hard to believe that you are out there slamming airs all the time. sorry, just do not see it, progression is one thing, but launching and landing are not everyday 'tricks' for your average surfers.
hey man, dont get mad at me about it. If you cant do an air, you cant. Simple as that. I can. I worked very hard to be able to do so and have been for like 7 years now. So its whatever. Im not out "slamming airs" all the time, but sh** man, when a air section is approaching, I go for it every time. I will land a fronside air with a success rate of about 60-70% these days. As I get older though, I never look for it, I just react if the section comes. Ohh, and dont feel bad, from your posts, I dont think you can land an air, so thats why you said that. Dont be mad at me about it. Lets surf together someday and then we can judge each other. How about that? I can just tell from your posts that you are an old school thinker. Half of us think like that, and half of us dont. We can agree to disagree. I agree that airs may not be the end all of surfing, but 10 years ago, that was the only thing I cared about learned. I was all about trying to be flashy rather than in sync with the wave. The whole way I developed that style is exactly what you probably despise. All show, no go... but over the years, I have learned the importance of knowing how to do all those things. Cause when you surf, its all about reaction. There is a time to hack, and time to duck and cover and a time to boost. And if you arent willing to explore all three of those options, you are shorting yourself.... Im just saying that if you have been surfing everyday for a decade and you cant pop an air on a shortboard, something is wrong. At that point, it is easy. Maybe we just disagree on "the average surfer"
No way! I love to see guys going for it. Makes me go for it that much more. Especially when there half my age and rip twice as hard.... it shames me into going deeper, faster, and bigger. All this talk about the average surfer... what is an average surfer? If the average surfer is the majority of surfers... then we are in trouble cuz the majority of surfers don't really surf all that well. If we mean the average surfer as an intermediate ability level... I think the majority of average level surfers aren't landing the airs consistently. The local standouts? Yup. Of course I am basing this off myself and my surroundings as I consider myself an intermediate surfer. Travel to foreign countries and score waves in any lineup...Check. Standard mixed bag of tricks an auto pilot...Check. Can go fins out, tweak tail slides, and launch weak airs mostly on accident... Check. Look cool with smooth style busting big tricks consistently and not falling...NOPE. Doomed to be intermediate...unless like Slater I continue to get better in my 30s.
a. I was referring to the fact that the poster was more than likely a hipster p*ssy d*ouche who hates on anything "popular," "mainstream," or that shows hard work and dedication. b. Riding 50lb 10 foot longboard may be very difficult. So is playing football with a leather helment. So is communicating with f*cking smoke signals or traversing the countryside in a horse and f*cking buggy. Does this mean we should just turn our backs on progression and innovation and dub it all lame? c. Andy could do both. You can probably do neither. d. who cares? It's a movie... e. Go ahead and enjoy being average. But just be aware that average is pretty f*cking lousy. Some people want more and have no problem rubbing hipster p*ssy d*ouches the wrong way to get there. Good day. Santos
not to take sides or be drug into the "hipster" category but I really don't like the progression to aerials in competition. now before anyone jumps down my throat: 1. NO i CAN'T perform an aerial (of course I've never tried. I have to assume it's just like hitting a mini ramp with a skateboard? feel free to inform me anyone maybe i'll attempt it). 2. I'm not hating on people who DO like aerials or think it's a great part of the sport. just agreeing to disagree in a friendly way. I happen to think surfing is all about personal style, and mine is more laid back, whereas I see aerials as the "i'm going to get extreme and charge anything" attitude. This isn't bad, just not for me. 3. The reason I'm not a big fan of aerials in competition is because, as stated in someone else's post, EVERYONE who is a pro surfer hits aerials. When you look at many shots in surfer they are sick aerials, and it just becomes repetitive. 4. Finally to combine a few of my points, and to respond to the original poster: I enjoy looking at the gnarliest wave on the planet constantly (enter pipe), but I love seeing waves or breaks that someone like myself could actually have the chance of surfing, but seeing a really awesome guy tear it up and show me the potential for what can be done even without double-OH and glassy. just my two cents.
seriously though, progression is a good thing. Hipster elitists are delusional. Accept it and move on.... progress. I bet there isnt a single person on this forum that can bash the progression in wetsuit technology.
ughh hey jerkoffs, dane, dion, mitch, jordy....hmm all hiptsers....and oh wait they push the sport farther than any...derrrrr what?
I can. A lot of the poo being made today is only good for one season. All this progressive technology just makes us spend more and get less use out of our gear.
Its not my fault your buying psychos (or whatever high end suit you felt you needed). What im saying is lets see you get your a55 out there in an 80's style rip curl classic 3 piece in this 38 degree water. New wetsuits rock. Bottom line. I have been stoked with new rubber purchases, but I guess iv been surfing for a while and slowly watching them improve.
I dont know Zach, but he's pretty much the guy on here ANSWERING everybody's technical questions about surfing.
I've been sweating lately in my new suit with all new trimmings. I'm out there overheating in 39 degree water with 50 degree air temps. That's a wonderful feeling when you're used to being out in a leaky wetsuit where you're shivering until you get a set wave that re stokes you. And this is with a bottom tier 170$ suit from O'neil. I think it's the 5/4/3 steamer, 100% stretchy neoprene. My old suit was the Billabong foil, which was a solid suit for 150$ 3 years ago. That suit had stretchy neoprene only on the 3 mil joints, it was a 5/4/3 as well. The difference in quality of the two suits is remarkable. The price range is the same, the only difference is 3 years of technology. The stretchy neoprene tech was out 3 years ago, but the 100% stretch suit would've cost me 300$ instead of 170$. I'm the most gung ho I've ever been to charge cold water.
I'm not sure where this thread ran off track, but the topic is supposed to be about how over-covered pipeline is. Not progressive surfing vs old school And I agree, in the winter, pipeline does get **** loads of coverage. But that's because the place goes off, and its so heavy that there are surfers who can make a living just from surfing that wave. I'm all for variety, but you have to give respect where its due. Its a serious wave for sure, and its consistency and accessibility to all the big name surfers/photogs and brands attribute to its media coverage. Its definitely an important wave in surfing, and I could watch it spit out surfers for hours. I did the other week for the volcom contest. Where else would you like to see a winter contest? Double overhead pipe seems like a pretty good place to me..
wow who brought negative nancy? how are the mordern collective guys hipsters? aren't hipsters from brooklyn?
