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May 25, 2012, 08:28 PM #181
May 25, 2012, 09:53 PM #182Senior Member
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I bet your favorite Tuna is albaCORE
May 25, 2012, 11:34 PM #183Member
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The worst Zimmerman said about the "suspicious" man was that he had his hand in his waistband. We know Martin didn't have any weapons. Also, at 1:38, you can hear him say "They always get away." Maybe he's referring to criminals, but this seems doubtful when at 1:52 he says something that sounds like "****ing coons." Some have said it's "****ing punks" but I don't even really see the relevance. There was a black kid in a white neighborhood going to his father's house after getting skittles at a local convenience store. Do you really think that the prejudice isn't racial? Do you really think that a white kid walking down the street in a polo shirt and designer jeans would have been followed? Being black and wearing a hooded sweatshirt doesn't mean someone can follow you with a gun and confront you.
And even if there was a fight, why is that relevant? Zimmerman followed Trayvon with a gun! It's completely reasonable for someone to fight back in that situation. Trayvon probably felt he was in danger, and he has witness from his girlfriend on the phone that says that was the case. Three of Zimmerman's witnesses have in recent days changed their accounts, now saying that they either didn't see the fight clearly, or they couldn't tell who had the upper hand or that they didn't actually see Zimmerman with gashes on his head. That doesn't look good for Zimmerman.
Look, I wasn't there personally and I'm not on the jury, but I'm plenty informed about the evidence that has been released to be able to draw my own opinions about what happened. And my opinions are based on evidence and I could sit here and argue with you all day about it, quoting particular accounts and particular pieces of evidence.
Why is it that people think that an understanding of the evidence is sufficient to draw a conclusion about something in every other situation, but once it's in a jury trial nobody's allowed to draw a conclusion unless they're on the jury or were personally at the scene of the crime? That's so ridiculous.
May 26, 2012, 12:02 AM #184Member
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Having a "black friend" doesn't mean someone's not racist. Are you really that naive? So many people with "black friends" are racist, especially when they have to go "no no no I can't be racist. Look! I have a black friend." Christ. Really?
The Coroner's report showed that the levels of drugs in Trayvon's system (Pot, really) were so low that Trayvon was definitely NOT on drugs at the time of the murder. THC unlike most other drugs is fat-soluble and remains in your system far longer because of that. Medical professionals have seen the levels of THC in Trayvon's system and come to the conclusion that Trayvon probably smoked pot in the weeks before the incident but was almost certainly not on pot at the time of the incident. And even if he was on pot . . . it's pot. Do we really think that Trayvon being on pot changes anything? Come on . . .
The video tapes of Zimmerman in his interview with police show no bruises, lacerations on the head, or bloody nose (have you ever broken your nose? It bleeds . . . a lot). All accounts of that were from a family physician . . . which is suspect, especially if he had a broken nose. The family physician can't treat the broken nose, so you'd think he'd have an orthopedist that could testify, who wasn't closely associated with him. But nope.
How have the muttering been debunked exactly?
That "burglary tool" was a flathead screwdriver . . . And being suspended doesn't at all have the same standards of proof as a criminal trial has to have so why does that matter?
So he was caught with marijuana by his school? That means Zimmerman could shoot him?
The assaulting a bus driver claim was forwarded without evidence by a right wing columnist and has no basis in fact. He was never suspended for that and there's no clear evidence that he did it . . .
Also, lots of racists I've known hide behind the veil of "I just don't like the urban blacks . . . the ones who are criminals. I'm fine with other blacks." and yet they maintain that black culture promotes criminality. I don't think Zimmerman's clearly not a racist at all.
But if someone tries to fight me in the surf, damned right I'm gonna take it as a threat to my life and safety. Like I said, if I get knocked out or held under in the water those are easy ways to drown. I'm not unreasonable to consider somebody physically assaulting me with fists in the surf to be a threat to my life. I really don't want it to ever come to that and that would really make me sad to put someone in the hospital or grave, but just don't assault people in the ocean and it won't ever be a problem. The ocean's not the place to get confrontational and enraged. The ocean is a dangerous place and it's flat out not okay to knowingly threaten others physically in that environment.
Last edited by Sloop John B.; May 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM.
May 26, 2012, 12:32 AM #185
You can't be serious
I can't believe people have lost common sense. I hate when people say they always pull the race card. In this case it has everything to do with it. Trayvon was doing nothing wrong and was being profiled. You just can't shoot people cuz you got your ass kicked when you started it. Zimmermans life will be hell either way, and he deserves it cuz he made a choice that day!
May 26, 2012, 12:56 AM #186
May 26, 2012, 01:59 AM #187
Earl, dude....it has never been like that weekend in Sumatra....we need that vibe back in Jersey..these young dorks need a wake up call...chill out and feel the vibe young brothers...see ya at the point next monday. Remember to bring the masks.
May 26, 2012, 02:13 AM #188
May 26, 2012, 02:35 AM #189
he got mad cuz he has not kissed a girl yet and sleeps with his 5 fin fish...lol, seriously though...I may not be what I was back then...but I always showed respect and I deserve it now...I even show it to the young guns at times just to drive home a point. My children show respect in the break, as they should...and they in turn, get it back from the line up.
May 26, 2012, 03:01 AM #190
how can you guys argue when theres been waves everyday? why aren't you guys surfing? what da hell? i've only been working, surfing, and partying for the past week. haven't even been on the internet in a week.
Get a grip bozos and go for a surf before its gone.