AGAIN....WE ARE DEBATING DIFFERENT ISSUE:
You can still protect property by doing beach replenishment CORRECTLY with correct sand grain and filling the beach correctly like they did in oc, maryland. So what exactly are the morons on this forum advocating? That surfers not stick together and voice our opinion during comment periods so that the army corps takes into account wave action when doing a replenishment project. I really dislike a lot of the people on this forum. You people make absolutely no sense. Just quit surfing. And obviously the question has to be asked why you expect the government to spend millions protecting oceanfront property. Don't build/buy there.
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Apr 12, 2014, 04:39 PM #31Banned
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Apr 12, 2014, 05:13 PM #32
Surfrider can get 50 guys together all the time, and they can conjure up a million alternative solutions and give them advice on how they can be effective and still not hurt the surf. No one listens. It makes people feel better to talk about it. To try and make change. Im just telling you nobody but a few of us care. Your local politicians dont care. It would actually be borderline irresponsible for them to care about the surf. The ones making the decisions are like anyone invested in a publicly traded company. It is unethical for them to concern themselves with honest labor, and keeping jobs on american soil. They all have an oath to their shareholders to Maximize profitability at ALL TIMES. So no one at that Army Corp or at you local politicians office are paid to care about what we are discussing. The tax dollars and money that goes into all this is generated from the taxes and revenue within your state and community.
Im not saying that I dissagree with you. I am just saying this same conversation has been happening for decades and nothing has changed. Nothing probably will....
A million people have said. Dont buy along the coast unless you want to end up falling into the ocean. Thats just nonsense. The population density along all of our coastlines are pretty solid, so there are MILLIONS of people that rely on beach replenishments.... There are only a couple dozen that give a fu** about the surf. What it do... ya know?
Apr 12, 2014, 06:01 PM #33
What am I gonna do about it? Go hop on all the shin to knee high waves I can today in this 64 and sunny weather!!!!!!! Scored 25 mediocre rides in an hour last night at sunset. 25 rides bro are 25 rides. Shred em if ya got em. While supplies last...
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Apr 12, 2014, 08:05 PM #34Banned
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Zach619 speaks the truth. Besides most surfers don't own the big expensive at risk beach properties. so the community at large has no issues with beach replenishment.
Happened here in Pensacola around 2003, no sandbars and no surf for about 5 years, in those spots. Luckily they only dredged the residential waterfronts and left the national seashore alone.
Apr 12, 2014, 08:25 PM #37
I hear you man. Think globally, act locally dude. I just disagree with you. Yeah, they saved trestles too in San Diego... So? They also had MILLIONS of people petition for that. Millions. Ruggles was "saved" too. But that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China. Neither of those places have ANYTHING to do with pumping sand. People *****ed when the poured concrete over sunset cliffs decades ago, but the damn cliffs were falling apart and the coastal road was going to fall in the ocean. When it comes down to it, the people are going to get their way. People on sunset cliffs bought their homes to watch the waves and the surf, but when their properties were in Jeopardy, they were all in agreement. We first, the Cliffs last.
And from all the surfline articles, ruggles wasnt that big a deal. Its sounds like the DOT was doing the right thing, simply trying to preserve the area... They didn't care how. So, the GLOBAL surfing community, not just the guys in Tee shirts in NE stepped in and simply explained an alternative way that didnt impact them financially. So the suits basically said, cool, we don't care about the details. It's not like the guys were trying to kill a surf break. Their intentions were good.
But the thousands of miles of sandy coast line along the east coast is a completely different thing. Every surfrider foundation in every town all up and down the coast trying to stop it every year. It ALWAYS fails. So unless you have some serious scientific evidence to prove a BETTER way for the entire east coast to keep from sliding into the ocean other than pumping sand... Please, stand up. Tell them... But let me guess, you don't have a better idea....
It would be different if you or anyone had a legit idea that was better. But they have tried it all. Taking sand from different areas so its a closer match to the sand on the beach, thus making it bla bla blah.... ALl that sh** is putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
So, if you want to stand up and fight. go for it. good luck to you. I hope you win. That would be great. But it sounds to me like you are all fired up and *****ing about something when you have no power to change it.
If you have the solution, we are all listening. Throw your ideas out on the table. Lets all talk about it. There are some intelligent people on this forum and we all want the same thing... If we can all agree that there is a better way, then lets do it. Start a movement.
But why are you going to organize against something that is a necessary evil if you don't have a better solution? If you have a way to have a positive impact on saving the receding coastline AND saving the surf... that will work, but like I said, no one cares if your Sand Bar is a little different. Its a fu**ing sand bar. Not a reef break in New England.
Apr 12, 2014, 08:33 PM #38
You can save a reef break, or a cliff or a state reserve, maybe. But like I said, no one cares that your sand bar isn't what it used to be. Because like I said, if they didn't preserve that coastline, you wouldn't have a beach to surf at all. There would be no local economy all up and down the east coast.
Its human nature and Darwinism. Humans will put their own interests, especially with regards to survival and money far ahead of recreation every single time....
Apr 12, 2014, 08:34 PM #39Senior Member
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I surfed a beach this morning in another area of MOCO that was just replenished and it seemed fine. It varies from place to place, but yes, for huge, huge stretches of NJ's best breaks, it may now be years before we surf them again.
Keep in mind that this whole project from Sandy Hook to Manasquan does NOT INCLUDE DUNES. Dunes were proven by Sandy to be the most effective protection (go down to South Seaside Park and see how the dunes saved the community there). And yet, while they're replenishing this stretch of beach, they are not doing the one thing that has actually been proven to work.
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