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Apr 22, 2014, 04:48 PM #21
Apr 22, 2014, 04:49 PM #22
Apr 22, 2014, 05:04 PM #24
And this is also all relative to the board in question... So if you take your typical Channel Island's AM board... lets say a 6'1x18.5x2.25 or whatever and you take a head high reef break... You put your thurster fin setup on it and you paddle out. When you initiate that top turn (frontside) and you are cutting back to get into your figure 8 motion, that central pivot fin of the thruster helps you set that rail, with somewhat of a central balance in the back tail and get from one rail to the OTHER rail faster... That is the key to what I am saying, FASTER.... and when you get back towards the falling lip to finish your figure eight roundhouse, the pivot fin also helps you change directions QUICKLY and get back on the other rail....
I would assume, on the same board, on the same wave, with a quad fin setup, You could still accomplish the same turn, however it would have an exageratted bottom turn with a wider radius and your cutback would go further out on the face when you initiate it, and it would take you more distance and more time to get from your heel side rail at the peak of your top turn and all the way in the half-figure eight onto your toeside rail....
So, in a nutshell, any board can go "rail to rail" and mostly when I refer to "rail to rail" I am talking about someones style, the way they attack waves.... Rail to rail to me translates into shaper turns, and in modern days, more vertical ones, because taking a steep vertical angle with speed and flipping the tail around getting your other rail engaged is the fastest way to go rail to rail....
I am sure someone else could explain it better, or even give me a different idea of their "rail to rail" but its a broad term that I used for changing direction....
Occi is a "rail to rail" guy to me. His whole style is about smooth, fluid turns at sometimes radical angles, where other guys are barrel riders, or high flying aerialists.
Apr 22, 2014, 05:14 PM #25
And so everyone can form their own opinion, here is a link to the video...
This is Taylor Knox in Mainland Mexico on some sort of point break, riding a standard shortboard with a 5 fin bonzer setup... Make your own case. He is definitely making nice rail to rail turns, but for a professional surfer who we have all watched for years, who usually flips that tail right through the top and it releases into his landing spot as he whips the baord back under him. The same modern style that every single guy on the ASP has. They all release their tails through the top. Its the beginning of almost every trick in the book..
Does it, or does it not look like he is working SUPER hard to get through turns, sometimes having to lean over almost sideways and flail his arms back to get enough torque for the turn... I just watched it thinking, man I bet you his upper legs are gonna be plenty cramped after riding that board all day... Looks like its putting a lot of pressure on his legs and core, where usually they flip those shortboards around like its a piece of looseleaf with no fins on it.
Apr 22, 2014, 06:17 PM #26
Apr 22, 2014, 06:31 PM #27
An a side note, what ever happened to channel bottoms? I bought a sweet Peter Benjamin thurster with a 6 channel bottom on it. Deep, thick channels too. Glasses on fins. It was probably from the early 90s or late 80s from the design. I tooled around with it on the cliffs for a summer and it was SUPER fun...
Why don't we see any different bottom contour concepts like that these days?
Apr 22, 2014, 07:06 PM #28
Apr 22, 2014, 07:18 PM #29
Yeah, I mean, I am no surf scientist, but I would think that the channel bottom could get your some serious speed when done properly, and wouldn't really have too much of an affect on turning. Maybe even help slow down the speed a bit with an abrupt direction change, but letting more water, pass by faster would make me think, speed speed speed.
And for you quad lovers, put channels all over the bottom of a speed quad and just take off to the racers.
And my shaper does some really interesting things and would always let me try out new boards he was making, but I have never seen him break out a channel bottom. God, the first Epoxy board he made almost a decade ago, we took it out on the cliffs and it was NOT cool. We were just running out of gas in the middle of a cutbacks and stuff. Fun to try new things though...
Apr 22, 2014, 08:17 PM #30