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  1. #81
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    I forgot to mention, working with a good shaper not only helps you get the right boart for you, but you'll learn a lot if you ask the right questions and listen to them. I learned so much about boart design on each boart that was built for me. A good shaper will educate you throughout the process. It makes the next boart that much easier. There's always room to learn, but after a few I guarantee you your knowledge on the subject will grow and you'll be less reluctant on the whole process.

  2. #82
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    ^^^Solid advice in the last couple of posts.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Toonces View Post
    I've been looking around for a new surfboard for the first time in a long time. I can't believe how short shortboards have become.

    I'm 5'4, 175 pounds. My everyday boards are 6'0 - 6'6 and around 33L. Looking at the Merrick website, I'd be riding something about 5'0 and 28L. The idea of paddling something sub-6'0 through any kind of whitewater in December in a 5 mil is just ludicrous.

    I'm finding it impossible to have any realistic expectation of what size board to get looking at the new models and recommended sizes. It's like I'm stuck in 1984 or something with board design.
    realistically, how good of a surfer are you?...thats the first question you need to ask yourself. If your average at best, I always tell people, stay away from super rockered boards, and add more foam then someone who is above average. If your above average, the sky is the limit in design, with less foam then the average surfer.

    Its true, like you, all my boards in the late 80's were over 6' but since the change in design, I dont own one board over 6'...in fact my daily board is 5'6", super small wave board is 5'4" and my standard shortboard is 5'9" and my bigger wave board is 6', which is rarely surfed. Honestly, I come from a skate background and wish I used these tiny boards back in the day. For me, I find it easier to throw around. Try it, dont think you will be disappointed. You can pack alot of foam in a shortboard...5'4" fishcuit is 34L which is my knee/thigh board, but all other boards are around 31L. Works for me, winter or summer.

  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by JayD View Post
    Experiment and keep moving along til you find the magic stick!
    This has pretty much been my deal for the past 15 years since i started shaping, and realized how easy it is to buy used boards, clean them up, surf them for four seasons (or maybe 4 years if i like them) and sell them the following summer for about what i paid for them. I've cycled through at least 15 "favorite" good wave boards in the past 15 years, and learned a lot in the process. And yeah, held onto a couple really good ones, that just earned their place.

    I agree that waist to shoulder high wave are the hardest to find the right board, but i think its just because 80% of good to great sessions i get in any given year are in waves that size. I HAVE to have a board that i really like in those conditions because its pretty much the payoff.

    At 54 years old, 5'9" 150 lbs, decent shape, i'm also riding slightly more volume than i was 20 years ago. But i'm riding shorter boards than i was 20 years ago. I agree with the shorter/wider/lighter trend. On a good day with rippable shoulder high waves i'll be riding something like a 5'9" x 20 3/4" x 2 3/8" EPS Stretch Quad where 20 years ago i would have been riding a 6'1" x 19 1/2" x 2 1/2" thruster. If i rode that same thruster today it would feel slow, too rockered, too long in the nose (swing weight) and heavy (poly).

  5. #85
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    I'm also 54 and in decent shape... but I'm 6'1, 190. My problem is I need a bit more wave to ride a typical "HP" shortboard. That's why I'm really riding a fish in belly high range surf, instead of a shortboard. I could ride a groveler, and always had one in my quiver, but just I prefer the feel of a twin keel fish over a groveler shortboard. At my size and age, I ride a 6'0 fish.

    My next step up... for waves in the upper end of that "waist to shoulder" range that people are saying it's hard to find a board for... is a hybrid shortboard/grovler. That's been my answer to that problem. Again, it's my size and age that drove that design. It's 6'4, and has a shortboard template, but with a more relaxed entry rocker, deep concaves, and a considerable amount of tail kick. It's got a full volume feel to it, with a flat deck and medium-full rails, but the nose-to-tail foil is more like a shortboard. Super light, with EPS, 6x4 deck, 6 bottom, but it's not too stiff because I controlled the thickness when I added length (think of length as leverage for flex, as long as it's not too thick).

  6. #86
    Sounds like similar boards for the waist to shoulder set up. I am 5'11" and 188 (lol ok 190). I went with very little rocker and a quite full rail on this 6'2". I have been riding it has a thruster since the waves have been fun these last couple of weeks.

    LB, we posted on this a couple of weeks ago and it appears Mitch agrees with the stretch quad on this set up. I am currently looking at the large:
    "Futures Stretch HC Large Quad Fin Set Navy/Orange,Front Fins: Stretch Quad,Height: 4.39 in, 11.20 cm,Base: 4.34 in, 11.00 cm,Area: 14.52 sq in, 93.68 sq cm,Rear Fins: 400 Quad Rear,Height: 4.00 in, 10.20 cm,Base: 3.89 in, 9.90 cm,Area: 12.41 sq in, 80.06 sq cm,Base Depth: 1/2 & 3/4 in.,"

    Based on this board's purpose, I think I'm going to order these this week and give them a go.

  7. #87
    Just paddle harder.

  8. #88
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    I'd buy a very expensive pop out that was shaped in china by a machine and costs more than 775 dollars without leash or fins. Thats when you know you are getting a really good surfboard and are most likely a really good surfer. Also, you'll want some outerknown gear to go with that new board. Oh and stickers.

  9. #89
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    Hey guys, appreciate the comments, especially Riley Martin's DN.

    It took me a forever, but I finally got some idea of what I'm riding. My "everyday" board is 32L and that feels, to me, a bit too thin to paddle around if I'm in a wetsuit, and actually need to get somewhere. I can haul it around, but I'm burning my shoulders way more than I need to, IMO.

    The Merrick Flyer 2 I am looking at is 36.5L. While I wanted a bit more float going into winter, plus something just a bit easier to paddle, I think that's going to be too much. I am really aiming for something in the 33-34L range.

    Edit: The board I was riding the other day that felt like too much foam was 38.2L.

    So at least now I have a couple of data points. Finding the volume on the Byrne helps a lot...now I have an idea of what to look for.

    The ...Lost volume calculator puts my sweet spot right at 33-34L, so I guess I need to work on my fitness a bit.

  10. #90
    Sorry, dude, I scored the 6'0" CI flyer 2 34l from CI site...couldn't pass it up for $580 delivered...i'll be at all the pts and reefs this weekend to put it through it paces.