Yeah, the Bathymetry is nothing like what it is out west. I can attest, 15 seconds yesterday was not idea over here. I thought the same thing you did. 15s is nothing. 20+ is common place all winter long out west. That sh** doesn't fly over here. 8-12 seems to be about the good window. Anything less sucks, anything more is dumpy. For the most part. There are nooks and crannies that can hold it, but not you average BB.