2012 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by Johnny Utah, Jul 14, 2011.

Who are you planning on voting for in the 2012 presidential election?

  1. Barack Obama

    25 vote(s)
  2. Mitt Romney

    5 vote(s)
  3. Ron Paul

    26 vote(s)
  4. Michele Bachmann

    1 vote(s)
  5. Herman Cain

    4 vote(s)
  6. Newt Gingrich

    1 vote(s)
  7. Tim Pawlenty

    2 vote(s)
  8. Rudi Giulliani

    1 vote(s)
  9. Rick Perry

    0 vote(s)
  10. Sarah Palin

    3 vote(s)
  1. LOSTsoul

    LOSTsoul Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2009
    the house leadership might be the same...but it's the freshmen Tea Party congressmen that are driving the agenda. They were not around with Bush. In fact they were elected because of the spending Bush did and the increased spending under Obama.
    I feel like you are missing the point. It not who's fault it is or not....it's about doing the right thing NOW. I'm not some Bush or Boehner apologist.....I just want things done right. It's very simple. I think alot of Americans realize this. We shall let the elections speak for themselves.
  2. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    The right thing to do right now is to raise the debt ceiling. Obama had already agreed to 4+ trillion in spending cuts if the Republicans would agree to revenue increases by revising the tax code (reducing rates while eliminating loopholes) but Republicans said no. Even though they got what they asked for, $4T.

    And I disagree, the tea party was not elected because of Bush spending. No where in the tea party platform do they blame Bush. They always blame "the government" yet never speak ill of republicans that were part of the problem.

    The origins of the tea party had elements of all big gov't is bad, but that was quickly eliminated when the Republican party came in and the rhetoric changed to blaming democrats for everything where possible.

  3. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008

    I'll vote for that. Go Pirates!
  4. motivated2surf

    motivated2surf Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2009
    I hate Democrats/Republicans and the entire two party system. Therefore, I'm not blaming it on either party. Both parties are responsible. Raising the debt ceiling is definitely not the answer. That's crazy. Let's cut programs/spending and let the cards fall where they may. I can guarantee you that the Sun will still come up if the debt ceiling isn't raised by the deadline. Don't believe the scare tactics. Just like reasons they used for going to war, a color coded terror alert system, Wall Street crisis where stimulus was just to give their friends billions of dollars, etc.

    I'm sure they will raise the debt ceiling and run the country like all the other fat lazy Americans who don't pay their bills and got mortgages they couldn't afford. They will ask for their credit card limits to be raised too. What ever happened to being responsible with your money and actually saving. Everything is bought with plastic and everyone racks up a huge amount of debt until we are all enslaved by the debt. People buy things they don't need with money they don't have.
  5. Koki Barrels

    Koki Barrels Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2008
    I hear you and that makes you an admirable fan...I'm glad I've been a Phillies fan all my life 'cause 2008 was awesome and this year they have a really good chance to win it all again! Go PHILLIES!
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2011
  6. jwj72

    jwj72 Active Member

    Apr 2, 2007
    There's only been one actual plan proposed and voted on. It was cut, cap and balance, proposed by the Republicans and voted out of the house with bi-partisan support. There hasn't been any other plan to vote on. So you can blame Republicans all you want (and there not all blameless in the debt problem), but they're the only side that's proposed and voted on a plan to raise the debt ceiling. Proof that Obama and the Dems are playing politics when they scream like chicken little yet are against the only plan proposed so far.
  7. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    Holy crap!! Did Amy Winehouse really die????
  8. Koki Barrels

    Koki Barrels Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2008
    yup...cocaine, ectasy & heroin...lovely combo. Too bad, she was damn good.
  9. Ray F.

    Ray F. Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2009
    Tell it like it is, brother.
  10. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

    Sep 14, 2007
    5 dems voting for the cut cap n balance act is hardly bi partisan support. There was no bi partisan support for it in the Senate, if it did, it would be on Obama to veto. But it didn't. Its a bad plan. Reducing spending to 18% of GDP cap is just stupid and irresponsible. Paul Ryans budget, for example, has spending over 20% at 2040. That is 1966 level of spending requiring a 25% cut across the board. The constitutional amendment language is a political move that would take years to work through its process.

    No bill is better then a bad bill.

    And no, thats not proof that Obama is playing politics anymore than Republicans get 4 trillion in cuts and still say no.
  11. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Where are the waves ?!?!?!?!

    Phillies bandwagon fans....any Philly fan is an abomination.

    The town that cheers for torturer & murderer Michael Vick.
    Hey Philly kids, you too can torture helpless dogs like football hero Vick, hold them up & strangle them, slowly, with wire, and laugh & place bets as the dogs suffer in agony.
    You too, can kidnap people's friendly family member dogs & use them as bait to be ripped apart, eaten while still breathing, in total agony, by Vick's dogs.

    Philly fans?

    Some golden moments from Philadelphia sports fan history.

    1. Criminal Court Installed At The Vet

    Violence during Eagles' games became so bad that Philadelphia installed a court, judge and jail inside Veterans Stadium.

    2. Fans Throw Batteries At Richie Allen

    Phillies fans in the 1960s hated Rich Allen, the team's first prominent African-American player, threw batteries at him from the stands. Allen wore a batting helmet on the field.

    3. Flyers Fans Attack St. Louis Blues

    In 1972, Flyers fans brawled with the Blues fans and head coach in the stands of the Spectrum.

    4. Flyers Fans Boo Sarah Palin

    Vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is heavily booed by Flyers fans when she is asked to drop a ceremonial puck at a game.

    5. General Behavior At The 700 Level

    The notorious 700 Level at Veterans Stadium often was the source of fan violence for three decades.

    6. Phillies Fans Fight, Boo At World Series Ring Ceremony

    Phillies fans boo pitcher Adam Eaton at the ring celebration after they won the World Series, then brawl in Ashburn Alley as the title flag is raised.

    7. Fans Boo Donovan McNabb At Draft

    Eagles fans travel to Manhattan and boo newly drafted quarterback Donovan McNabb. McNabb and his family still are upset at the incident.

    8. Eagles Fans Boo Santa Claus Eagles

    In 1968, Eagles fans boo and then pelt a man dressed as Santa Claus who was part of a halftime ceremony.

    In 2003, the same man was asked to appear in the same Santa suit at a Sixers game. He was booed again.

    9. Fans Hit Cowboys With Snowballs

    Eagles fans, including future governor Ed Rendell, pelt the Dallas Cowboys and coach Jimmy Johnson with snowballs at the Vet.

    10. Eagles Fans Cheer Michael Irvin Injury

    On Oct. 11, 1999, Cowboys receiver Michael Irvin suffered a career-ending neck injury at the Vet. Fans cheered as Irvin was crumpled on the ground.

    11. Phillies Fans Pelt Umps With Bottles

    In 1949, the Phillies are forced to forfeit a game with Giants after fans unleash a 15-minute barrage of glass-bottle throwing. They were upset by a call against Phillies' center fielder Rich Ashburn.

    12 Fan Steals The Phanatic's Head

    The Phillie Phanatic's head was stolen during a charity event at the Wachovia Center. After a manhunt, the head was returned and its abductor was charged with theft.
  12. Ray F.

    Ray F. Well-Known Member

    Sep 13, 2009
    Is this a new concern? The Democrats didn't have a problem with lack of bi-partisan support for the stimulus. Zero Republican votes in the house and three Republican votes in the senate.

    Yet the 1588 page bill for the stimulus was passed within 48 hours of submission.

    Agreed. I wish Obama would see it that way. It's evident that he'd rather push a bad bill by applying pressure to lawmakers by threatening that it could prevent Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid checks from being cut. I believe his exact words were “I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it,” Okay...let's look at the numbers:

    Beginning balance of revenue for August (regardless of passing of bill or not) $172 B

    Social Security $49B
    Medicare/Medicaid $50B
    Military Pay $3B
    Veteran's Affairs $3B
    Interest $29B
    Unemployment $13B
    Fed salaries $14B

    Total expendatures $161B
    Monthly balance after expendatures $11B

    Why can't the President guarantee Social Security checks will go out? Why is the treasury so secretive about what they plan to do as a contingency?

    Agreed. They're all equally irresponsible leaders. Our country carries on despite our leadership...not because of it.
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2011