23' in Belmar?

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by AndrewIfallalot, Oct 24, 2014.

  1. AndrewIfallalot

    AndrewIfallalot Well-Known Member

    Aug 24, 2012


    Dr. Kent Mountford, a seasonal resident of Manasquan, and Esturarine Ecologist, sent in this photograph that he recorded on Saturday. He perfectly framed a surfer in the shot to show the size of the wave, which he estimates was 13 feet. He writes about his experiences recording wave activity at the shore, and the largest wave he ever recorded:

    I’ve been at Manasquan Beach (seasonally) since 1939, and the largest wave I have documented using this similar photo-scaling against a surfer, was 23.7 ft in September 2010. (This is shown on the Manasquan-Belmar Patch Facebook page here; hand-held grab shot and was regrettably fuzzy.)

    Waves start to break when they are about 1.3 times the water depth in height (about 18 feet water depth for a wave this big) and they are retarded, as in the provided picture, by offshore winds, which are common after major storms. Water nearshore off the inlet puts depths of 22 feet quite close to the beach, but the “pocket” inside our north jetty creates an offshore sand bar that “surprises” swells approaching the coast at high speed, lumping them up and creating higher waves with alongshore breaks (running south to north) that produce the tubes surfers love.

    This also means that claimed “32 foot” waves during “Sandy” are not possiblenear the shoreline. These are actually offshore swells documented by the NOAA sea buoys well outside the surf zone. It keeps us all in balance realizing that even Sandy, during her worst hours (which destroyed my 112 year old cottage) did not have well formed waves like these. This is because onshore (like east to northeast) winds push over the tops of the biggest waves and make storm surf “crumbly”. It was the surge that killed us, by raising those crumbly waves up high enough to over-top the beach (a berm or crest roughly 13 foot high).

    -Kent Mountford, PhD, Estuarine Ecologist and Environmental Historian
  2. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    That's a head high wave.

  3. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    the thing i don't get (beyond why this non-oceanographer is weighing in on near-shore wave heights) is why Sandy is in quotation marks as if the storm was some sort of unverified, mythological event. the ***** happened, there's no getting around it.
  4. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    lol I thought u wrote that,i was thinking "been at Manasquan since 1939" I was thinking your 85 years old.

    yea that's a head high wave btw.

    and sandy wasn't the 100yr storm or superstorm,it was actually very weak,very weak.its just the 1st one to make landfall in the northeast.its not the "track" of future storms,there was a high pressure in the atlantic that pushed sandy west towards land.theres nothing mythical about it,when we get hit with a storm like hurricane Katrina where telephone poles are sticking out of the water 5 ft and your whole town is underwater and theres dead bodies floating around and the national guard comes in to shoot looters,then u can call it a "superstorm"

    I thought sandy itself was cool,it was the 9 day blackout that wasn't.
  5. sbx

    sbx Well-Known Member

    Mar 21, 2010
    hmm, Wikipedia tells me that "[w]hile it was a Category 2 storm off the coast of the Northeastern United States, the storm became the largest Atlantic hurricane on record (as measured by diameter, with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km))"
  6. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    it became the largest air mass by merging with a nor easter.as far as hurricane strength it was only a cat 1.gonzalo was a big storm.u have to look at the infared satellite images,sandy was big,but it wasn't purple and black in the center.gonzalo was purple in the center.if that would've made landfall it would've been 100x worse than sandy.trust me I felt the full wrath of sandy,lost the first level on my house,3 cars totaled,down the street the houses were knocked off the foundations.i heard a lot of "this was our Katrina" lol.no it wasn't.the weather channel has the top 10 worst hurricanes ever,and number 1 was a storm from the 1930s.sandy was number 7.remember how montoloking looked or whatever it was,smoking houses and stuff.when they did the aerial fly over Katrina,it was like that the whole fly over.i just look at the damages from past storms and compare it to sandy.the reason it was so expensive is because the northeast nj/ny is the most expensive place in America and when subways and stuff get flooded and billions of dollars worth of electrical stuff are ruined,it adds up the cost


    Sep 17, 2013
    Katrina was bad, but this was one of the lowest pressure systems ever recorded, and at 940 millibars -- 27.76 inches it is the deepest to low ever hit EC north of Hatteras. Maybe not 100 year storm (as that was supposedly in fall 1990) but a VERY impressive low none the less

    so that technically makes it a strong storm, stronger than any one that ever hit NJ
  8. bagus

    bagus Well-Known Member

    Jul 13, 2014
    jersey strong
  9. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    People are still being reluctant to call it what it was - Hurricane Sandy - due to the National Hurricane Center's botched last minute technicality.

    They are justifiably opposed to using the media's ridiculous and meaningless term "superstorm"

    so you see nonsense like:

    Meteorological Event Sandy
  10. surfin

    surfin Well-Known Member

    Jul 22, 2012
    I think the weather channel should have changed the name from Sandy to Snooki . Snooki devastated the jersey shore way before Sandy did .
  11. CJsurf

    CJsurf Well-Known Member

    Apr 28, 2014
    Not far from Belmar:

  12. CJsurf

    CJsurf Well-Known Member

    Apr 28, 2014
    My house was wrecked pretty badly by Sandy......BUT.....Sandy was not the big one. Far from it. Do a little research on some of the storms that hit or brushed the NorthEast in the early 1900s and consider how many more homes there are here today compared to back then. Look up the 1944 storm that wrecked the NJ shore and imagine what it would be like today with the population density we have now. I have a book that is loaded with pictures from the 44 storm and I can't imagine the devastation that one would cause if it hit us today. That storm wasn't even a direct hit.
  13. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    I remember we had a storm in 92 or 93 where it flooded a good 6ft in my neck of the woods.it was way worse than sandy,it wasn't a hurricane but a very huge noreaster that literally spread from nova scotia to Georgia(that was the length of the thing).I was young so I don't remember too much,but I remember there was some really bad floods.

    sandy was "bad" because its like the only hurricane to hit the tristate in the last 50 years.the media overhypes everything,theres shows,books on sandy.i watched all the crazy shows on sandy and the only really bad part of it was the storm surge.we didn't have 24hrs of constant rain,there wasn't 80mph wind gusts.i have like 800 photos from sandy,the day before the eye hit,while the eye hit,the aftermath.basically we didn't have electricity for 9 days so I took a shyt load of pics.I went to the beach like 10 am that day it hit and seen how the water was making its way up the dunes and knew we were in for some flooding.other than that it wasn't bad
  14. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012

    just found a pic of it on radar
  15. Losttsol

    Losttsol Well-Known Member

    Feb 18, 2013
    I'm giving that wave 8' proper, East coast sizing. For Belmar that equates to roughly thigh high.
  16. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    Dude... No **** the surge was bad. Nobody claims that it was the strongest winds ever. It's the surge that did all the damage.
    You may remember your house flooding in 92, but it was nothing compared to Sandy. I had water to my attic and lost everything. Entire neighborhoods from North Jersey to Eastern LI were destroyed.
    Breezy Point burnt to the fuking ground.
    My family and friends are still not back to "normal." But I glad you had fun and it was cool for you
  17. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    It's interesting to see how different hurricanes and nor'easters are in organization, composition and area of coverage.

    The effects mentioned that storms have on coastal areas can be huge as several of you know all too well. A highlight of the 2014 cane season is definitely the minimal landfall they've had. Damage to anyone or anywhere is never good.
  18. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    so now this is a sandy thread...awesome.

  19. titsandpits

    titsandpits Well-Known Member

    Sep 4, 2012
    where do you live lol?
    what is your definition of bad....my community got rocked
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdmZ-qIXS1Y that whole video is about 10 min bike from my house and right in the beginning that inlet that formed into the bay is not manmade...it was caused by the hurricane which swept away about 8 houses right in the little block vicinity.... if you really don't believe it was bad I can put up some pics on took on her from my phone that I took the day after the storm hit and the clouds settled.. the road leading to the bridge that the inlet formed at the base of was flooded to about 10 foot and guys were driving down it on waverunners and they only other way to get through was with front end loaders and big escavating machines
    sure theres been other big storms in the past but unless your house wasn't the one that ended up in the ocean or bay you cant say the storm wasn't bad
  20. TheSweetLife

    TheSweetLife Member

    May 19, 2013
    He said the Offshore winds "retards" the waves....Classic