ACOE gonna bury us in

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by boogitym, May 14, 2013.

  1. boogitym

    boogitym Well-Known Member

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    Feb 3, 2011
    The shore is not open....it looks worse than ever to begin a summer...sure some staples are "open" but most towns still look jacked up and smell like mold. It ain't gonna be a great summer to pack the kids in the car and spend $10 to park and $8 each to get on the beach to use port a potties and have your kids play if sand that has god knows what in it. Plus the sound of constructions will be fresh in the air. Watching someone rebuild there life while you are trying to get your surf on changes your vibe real quick.

    I understand we need to protect infrastructure, however a big sand dump could make things worse. $100 mil in contracts means a lot of money floating around for groups to "get work done quick."

    How does making the beach wider (think wildwood) stop the ocean when its a full lunar high tide of around 8 feet mixed with a ten foot storm surge. The ocean will just go over the new wider beach quite easy I would assume.

    At some level we need dunes...big dunes that block the ocean...think 50 foot dunes...but don't touch the shoreline at all....but prob block the homeowners viewed effectively lower property values....necessary evil at this point

    Since Sandy most beaches are breaking much further out like it naturally would if we didn't dump a bunch of sand near the water's edge to create the dangerous shorebreak. This means the waves lose their power farther out and don't hit the shorebreak with such great force. This is how the ACOE wants the beach to "eventually be"....a nice gradual slope....THAT'S HOW THE BEACH IS NOW SO WHY NOT LEAVE IT....LET THE JETTIES YOU INSTALLED DO THEIR JOB....BUILD SOME DUNES...RUIN SOME VIEWS...DO THE RIGHT THING....ONLY SURFERS AND FISHERMAN GET THIS **** SO WE PROB GOTTA GET OFF OUR ASSES NOW.

    NEXT YEAR PREDICTION....I will driving more to south jersey to take my family to a beach we can actually enjoy and not have to walk a mile to the water and dodge the dangerous non surfable shorebreak which will inevitably be created...
     
  2. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Perhaps The Prince could pitch in & help.
     

  3. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    The fish are in... the surf's been good... everything from the MHW line out is in it's natural state.

    But turn around and look landward. It's a bizarre scene. Nothing is normal... nothing is natural. Many people still have not gotten back into their homes and businesses, while across the street, palaces rise out of the dunes in a matter of weeks for the wealthy private beach clubbers, who will relax in their cabanas while ignoring the horror of the broken lives around them like they aren't there, and don't matter.
     
  4. gallerysurfboards

    gallerysurfboards Well-Known Member

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    Aug 12, 2011
    My thoughts exactly. I've overheard many people voicing their concerns over whether their precious beach club will be open in time for memorial day... meanwhile across the street someones condo where they live full time still sits in ruins. And the beach club will continue to block that homeowners access to the beach. I've never had more disgust with beach clubs than I do now, and I was pretty disgusted with them before...
     
  5. Uncle Irish

    Uncle Irish Well-Known Member

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    Aug 16, 2011
    Any thoughts on course of action? Seems painfully obvious that beach replenishment does not work. They have been doing it for the last fifteen years or so, and Sandy still wrecked us. Just look at South Seaside Park which has a pretty substantial dune system, they seemed to fare better than most.
     
  6. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    And not one word from the media...still personally disgusted w/ how this was covered as compared to Katrina.
     
  7. rvb

    rvb Well-Known Member

    237
    Mar 2, 2011
    So true, bizarre is the word I would use as well. Surfed my local moco spot Monday afternoon, scored a solo longboard sesh, 2-3 ft peelers, super fun and all by myself. BUT..the loud sounds of excavators working the beachfront palaces owned by out of staters took my stoke down a notch, then look to my south and see huge crane trying to remove debris from a destroyed beach club that will likely never be rebuilt. And then the tide started to fill in (like 2.5 hours past low) and the little beach that is left disappeared and water rolled up to the seawall. Just kept looking back at land and thinking how not normal this is and how this summer is going to the strangest one I have seen in my 30 yrs.
     
  8. rvb

    rvb Well-Known Member

    237
    Mar 2, 2011
    google search = beach clubs NJ
     
  9. HD4

    HD4 Well-Known Member

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    Jun 3, 2012
    It's a different story in SNJ, ( I'm in SIC) I feel for you guys up the northern end. Keep at it and be positive
     
  10. stinkbug

    stinkbug Well-Known Member

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    Dec 21, 2010
    Sandy Hook to Barnegat... Including Deal, Loch Arbour, and Allenhurst.
    It was a virtual wave wasteland from Long Branch to the Hook after they did the initial fill. Still is in SB and MB.
    They will destroy all of LB again, then all the way south.
     
  11. stinkbug

    stinkbug Well-Known Member

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    Dec 21, 2010
    Old habits die hard. Use to be be for rich NYers and city dwellers.
    Now it's just a status symbol really. Sit by the pool or your cabana, order your $15 cheeseburger, and keep up with the Jones.
     
  12. stinkbug

    stinkbug Well-Known Member

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    Dec 21, 2010
    It's coming like a freight train..unstoppable really, especially since it's free this time, and it's after Sandy. There's only one option- push for more access. Some towns have passed on the ACOE plan because they mandate access be provided. Believe it or not some towns would rather have no beach than allow the public to use a new beach.
     
  13. ClemsonSurf

    ClemsonSurf Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    Dammmm zaGaffer.... I would ask him to meet me at my break if he spoke that way with me.
     
  14. Peajay4060

    Peajay4060 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    its like a country club. if that helps you. did you ever see the flamingo kid?
     
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  15. Peajay4060

    Peajay4060 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    nothing really except life guards with no surf zones. and a long walk to someplace that isn't much different then the place you walked onto the beach.
     
  16. Koki Barrels

    Koki Barrels Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2008
    I don't know if you recall, but a year or two ago a guy posted on here about getting called out of the water by the cops because he was surfing in front of one of these country clubs. I can't remember if he got ticketed or not, but either way it doesn't make much difference. I guess they feel that their private cabanas and all the pampering isn't enough, they think the ocean belongs to them too.

    It was pointed out in that thread, that they cannot regulate past the low tide line, so they are way off in their thinking, but because they're rich it has to be so.

    I feel bad for all the communities that were affected by Sandy. I personally don't live in Jersey, but Sandy could have easily done a lot more damage to my area than it did. And to have some bigshots come into your town, and sit around and relax, while the people of the community flounder stinks something foul.
     
  17. rvb

    rvb Well-Known Member

    237
    Mar 2, 2011
    i couldn't agree more.

    but, not all beach clubs are 20k. back in the day there were some reasonable ones, but as mentioned earlier, turned into a status symbol thing. when i was a kid i tagged along with friends whose parents belonged to one, and they got to keep all their beach gear in their cabana, set up a grill, stocked the fridge with beer, etc. there was also a bar/restaurant to order from. young kids could jump in a pool that had a lifeguard so the parents could enjoy their time there too. in that regard that i can understand the draw, but for way less than 20k obviously. also, it created seasonal jobs for a NJ shore communities, can't tell you how many friends worked at beach clubs.
     
  18. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    If you guys think you have it bad in jersey with the "beach clubs" come visit Hilton Head Island... Its ridiculous. 99.9% of all beaches on the Atlantic side are all private. Whether it be a gated community of mansions or the beach clubs... Its nuts. I mean, NUTS! Luckily damn near the only place that breaks here is on a public beach, but man... it makes me wonder whats going on all up and down the island.. There have to be so many other waves out there when a swell hits. I am sure people have their secrets... But all these mansion are vacant aside from 1 month out of the year... I have NEVER in my life seen a city or town sell out to this extent. Its unreal. And the fact that they are all called "Plantations" on an old slave island gives me the creeps. Only in the south I guess.
     
  19. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    hell you can get into sea pine for 10$ or shipyard for if yeah tell them you are going to sonesta free daily pass or your going to play golf. but tbh there are no real stand out places maybe jacana and burkes. idk how long youve been here but when we had really deep tide pools there was some fun inside sections to the waves.
     
  20. surf05

    surf05 Well-Known Member

    84
    Nov 21, 2010
    all i can say is that's f***ed. sorry for the language but this kind of stuff pisses me off, trying to own and regulate mother nature. is there no way to surf those beaches or is the water theirs too? here on lbi a lot of the mansions on the north end want their private beaches back so they put "no access" or "private" signs in front of their expensive little drives. i'm pretty sure it's perfectly legal to use those streets since they're well, streets, so i make it point to drive right up them to check the surf even if the owners are sitting outside.