annoying surf

no way do you surf. you may paddle around but nobody with your level of kookiness really surfs.

 

PS--Don't put YOURSELF in a position where you can get your ass kicked then!!

 

lol. I thought the same thing O.
I'm starting to think Brad would would find a reason to get his panties in a wad wherever he paddles/flounders out.

 

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And it would serve him right for choosing his favorite hollywood celeb name for his moniker.

 

By your own story that guy wasn't giving you sh!t until you burned him twice. Which you did because he was catching waves (30 yards away from you) and you weren't. He didn't paddle out on top of you. Where was your respect then? By catching waves at the peak he was showing you where to be. You could have paddled over there after he got one and caught the next one.

Being that your gear got thrown in the water, I would think you got served the biggest slice of FU pie that day. Your own words and your re explanations all point to you acting as much of a jerk as that guy. Your story makes me think he over reacted. But you brought it on your self when you told him I'll drop in on you all day chief and then proceeded to do so.

just about everyone here said the same thing to you some nicer than others, and you don't like it. So we must be wrong and we are assholes. Well if your seeing assholes all day then who is the asshole?

It's OK to be wrong once in a while, a wiser man would learn from it.

 

I second the motion.

 

They're cute at this age.

 

so you dropped in on him more than twice? you pulled out of his waves and let him go? Did he drop in on you or did he just paddle to where the waves were breaking and catch waves. Two guys in the water. No way there was just enough waves for one guy. It's a beach break with no jetties and little bars everywhere. 10 to 15 yards at Lido is akin to the difference between center and right field.

 

so you pulled out of waves that he already had position..still kooky

 

You're a koook. Noooooo you're a koooooook.
You're a koook. Noooooo you're a koooooook.
You're a koook. Noooooo you're a koooooook.
You're a koook. Noooooo you're a koooooook.
You're a koook. Noooooo you're a koooooook.
You're a koook. Noooooo you're a koooooook.

 

This thread is getting long...

 

Brad, take a deep breathe dude, let me help you out here and try to be the voice of reason.

First off, neither one of you were right, both were wrong, so on that day at that time, you were both being kooks. I'm not saying you are always a kook nor him, but at that moment in time, you both were acting kooky, let me explain why...

I too tend to be the first person in the water most days when I paddle out, so I understand where you are coming from when you are out surfing by yourself for a while and then along comes someone who wants to paddle out right on top of you instead of picking one of the many other peaks up and down the beach. So I understand that feeling, however, I have to remind myself that it's unrealistic to think I will have this peak to myself for the entire session. Sure, there are days where I get lucky and I surf solo for 3-6 hours and I consider myself blessed when that happens, but it is not to be expected.

What happened here is both of you felt "entitled" to the peak. You felt entitled because you were there first and there were many other peaks he could have chosen to paddle out at but he chose to challenge you so you saw that as a direct sign of disrespect, understood.

He felt "entitled" because he is a "local" and has "paid his dues", which to many gives him the right to regulate a foreign or unfamiliar face. I personally disagree with this mentality, however, it is human nature to get territorial over a place that you spend a lot of time at.

That being said, NOBODY owns a public beach / ocean. The word public means that it's open and available to everybody and anybody, although, your behavior in the water is what locals should be paying attention to and if you are a hazard to others or just being an overall jerk, then I agree with the local regulating. But it shouldn't happen simply for showing up, that I do not agree with.

When this guy paddled out by you and you said good morning and he said nothing, you should have known right then and there what time it was. When that happens, you have to make a choice, either paddle down the beach to another peak and let him have it to avoid the possibility of a conflict and just swallow your pride... OR you can decide to challenge him for the peak and be more strategic.

If you choose to challenge for the peak, #1 you HAVE to be on the peak, NOT the shoulder. If you hang on the shoulder you will always have to wait for scraps, and if you have someone in the water who has the peak wired like he did, you may never get a wave, so again, you HAVE to be on the PEAK to challenge him. Do like others have said and paddle just a little bit further out than him and get on the wave before he does. Also, you can wait for him to catch one and then paddle over to where he took off from and you'll get the next wave.

Lots of savy things you can do, not going to list them all, but one thing you don't do is just drop in on him, even though you were there first, you still don't do it. If you were on the peak and battling for the wave then you wouldn't have to drop in on him, it would just be a matter of who gets to their feet first. It's because you were on the shoulder and he was on the peak that you had to resort to this behavior, and is why you are in the wrong for doing so.

Having said all that, he was in the wrong for getting out and throwing your stuff in the water. That's a really d*ck move for something so trivial as getting dropped in on. Yes, getting dropped in on is annoying and at times can be infuriating, but put it into context with the grande scheme of things in the world and it's really a trivial violation. If we're talking waves of consequence, then we're talking life or death and that changes things a bit, but on a waist high day in NY, there isn't anything about that situation that sounds life or death to me...

 

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Remember this, and this is a message to all, the ocean does not belong to us, it is God's creation, he owns it and he leases it to the creatures that live there, so if anything the true locals are all the fish and living organisms in the water. We are only visitors or guests, and we are uninvited, because believe me, the living beings that call the ocean home do not want us there, which makes it theirs to regulate, not ours. So I ask you and everybody, act like you are a guest at someone else's home and have manners, whether it's the first time you've been to that break or if you are there every day, it does NOT belong to you or anybody.

We all should be more tolerant of others, myself included. I'm no angel, I've had my moments of weakness where I've acted out in frustration toward others because I felt I had rights to a peak and others were encroaching on that. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with someone joining me at the peak if they are respectful and have a good sense of awareness, but If someone is rude and being a wave hog or pretending like nobody else is on the peak but them, then I tend to have my moments, but I just have to remind myself, this is not mine, it's open to them just as much as it is to me. Best to just walk away when that happens but I have had words with a couple people over the years or I have made it a point to not let them get a wave in retaliation. We're human, we make mistakes, we have feelings and emotions that sometimes get the best of us.

Next time I would suggest you go in accepting the fact that someone will be joining you soon, you don't know who, but just expect it, that way you aren't so disappointed when your solo surf session is broken up. FWIW...

 

have you been back to that spot since?

 

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Hey thanks for the well thought out note but you don't get it either. You see I'm right.