A perfect example. You think I'm wrong, I think I'm right. We each believe what we will. I think if we each respect the other, we can leave it at that. And for the record, you have no idea what my personal religious beliefs are.
Why people believe anything they have not investigated for themselves amazes me. The majority of people who claim to be christian have never even read the whole bible, as is evidenced by their lack of understanding of what it says about science. It is not a science textbook but consider what it actually says about scientific matters, not what the fanatics claim. First - It does NOT say things were created in 6 - 24hr days, reading beyond the first few chapters you understand that the term day is used as a time period, simply showing the order in which life appeared, each creative "day" could have been thousands or even millions of years. Science confirms the order that life came about yet this was written down thousands of years ago Job 26:7 says the earth is hanging upon nothing Isaiah 40:22 says the earth is a circle All written thousands of years ago, yet agree with proven modern science. The point I'm trying to make is don't count out something due to what others say, investigate for yourself
The ability to believe in something for which we have no proof is just that, an ability, and nothing more. The essence of our soul? Human spirit? What do those terms even mean? If anything, believing in unseen beings makes us gullible.
blah blah I am religious but actually agree with uncle two barrels. None of you really know anything, on either side. I may be proven an idiot once i move on to the happy hunting ground (if there even turns out to be one) on any of the above...my scientific beliefs or my religious ones. I am also a scientist and science teacher (anatomy and physiology, biology, paramedical biology, and environmental science) BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I AM A SURFER FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS FORUM. I have to wonder whether west coast guys and gals or hawaii natives, or anybody from anywhere besides the right coast bothers with all this non-surf related banter on SI because they are actually out trimming into a shiny face somewhere in THE OCEAN! I am beginning to feel slightly sorry for us East coasters because I think we spend so much time sitting around waiting for waves that we exhaust all meaningful discourse on surfing we can on here, and then there's this pregnant pause, and then somebody goes "jeez, what's it all about, this life? Golly Beav, I dunno, let's ask Wally." The next thing you know we have atheists and bible thumpers trying to beat each other up in frigging binary code launched into the ether. So I have some advice. I want everybody to save up two hundred bucks. Then I want you to buy me two hundred dollars worth of beer and send it to the third oak tree just outside of thornton road west of Berlin, MD, the one with the yellow ribbon on it. I'll chill it all down for ya, then next weekend we will all meet there and get hammered, unless there is surf over in Assateague, whereupon we'll go surf first. Then all the atheists and thumpers can come back and get drunk too, and if they want to beat each other up they can do it with flesh and bones. My guess is that they'd just talk about surfing and forget about their differences. Oh, and I get to keep the beer that's left over. There's not always waves here.
You know, the usual - love, compassion, self awareness, ability to enjoy things. And ability to have that ability. Imagination and talent. Reason and logic. But also intuition. Resilience in the face of adversity sounds a bit stretched, but that's what human spirit is. Pushing each and everyone forward everyday. It doesn't matter what terms I use here, the fact that you have already known this but maybe feel disappointed by it only proves the truth behind it. Watch a sunrise and embrace the fact that you're the only species on earth that knowingly plan ahead and go out to see something completely irrelevant to their survival, let alone take a picture of it to save for later. Or maybe that's exactly the means to uplift the curtain of otherwise prevailing cynicism. To paraphrase Seldom: Hi my name is Max, and I am human.
I don't know, dude. I see the opposite. Just look at this place. People of faith are given the business, like Eddie on the Beaver. And it seems to me that the atheists are the ones who are all bent. Because theys scared. Like if you believed in Big Foot, I wouldn't get upset and angry at you, as most atheists tend to do when God is mentioned. Most atheists are kind of self-conscious. And a little batty. Wonderful you don't believe in Jesus. Why do they spend so much time thinking aboot something they don't believe in? Ah, I gotta go. Gnar sorry you feel so persecuted, but you have a home here, as we have a bunch of southern conservatives on here...who don't believe. Ain't that crazy? Isn't that part of being a conservative from the south?
for the most part atheists and Christians co-existed without issue until the Christian Right started trying to legislate religion.
As u already know Yank, its all about power. The Inca Royalty used these crazy rituals of sacrifice to control people into thinking they had no control of their lives. It was a way to keep the people in check so the Royals could continue to live lavishly. Now if you fast forward to today, I do believe that there is a higher society or a higher being that controls how we view life, keeping us in check. Its hard to prove it but I just get this feeling that there is a society that has access to knowledge and technology that we are not privy to, just yet. I find it hard to believe that with the amount of space that surrounds us that this is it, where basically the internet and cell phones are the apex of what a species can create after millions of year of existence. There is a whole lot more to the pie, we only get the crumbs.
Nah, dawg, I can't agree with you here Riley. In the bigger picture, atheists are definitely persecuted more, at least in the states. I know over in Europe there is a much larger population who see the false beliefs of organized religion. But, at least here, we ain't got much street cred. And, as far as being scared, I wouldn't necessarily say I'm scared. But, I'd be lying to you if I said sometimes when I wonder about dying, and I'm just dead, and nothing happens, it trips me up. But, I'd rather be afraid of the unknown than to persist in a delusion for my entire life, no matter how comfortable it makes me feel. And, that's the difference between religious people and people who believe in logic, evidence and science. I'm ok with not knowing but they are not.
Dude the only place in America where your agnostic views would be persecuted are in the rural Bible Belt. And look at the dudes on here from the south - they are all devil worshippers. Ha, that's the one thing that bothers the heck out of me. If we just die and cease to exist. But I'm so wonderful, I can't imagine me being completely gone without a spirit running around. I think I died one day. They said I did. I didn't see nothing. Nothing. But I'm not absolutely positive I died. Once I came to, and my senses started slowly coming back, I ripped the IV's out of me and bolted. Yeah, the security guard tried to stop me but you know....I could only see figures not any detail. It was pretty messed-up. Hey, why you saying, "delusion?" You aren't supposed to know either way if you are agnostic. I believe but I don't KNOW. People who are so certain about death and any life thereafter are the ones who are delusional. Humans are too complex to be some impersonal accidental creation. We would be friggin robotic and almost emotionless. And good Lord we know all aboot emotions on here.