Biggest Lie of year

Discussion in 'USA Mainland Surf Forum' started by MFitz73, Jul 7, 2015.

  1. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    combo platter: more people, more tampons, more fishermen, more chum, more blood, more passion fruit scented sunscreen, etc
     
  2. MFitz73

    MFitz73 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    Well from certain perspectives HCBBRI is more right then wrong. A rocket scientist is making observations, assessments and calculations based on precise numbers and knowledge.... these noted marine biologists are saying things like-
    the great white population is down 79%(whatever it was).... but 79% of what? they have zero idea of how many great whites are swimming in the ocean at any given time. So I call bell sh7t on all of their "hard science" numbers.
    The other thing is they made not one mention of the primary culprit in these attacks... the bull sharks. what are their numbers? from observations, its obvious they are up.
     
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  3. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    The survey cited in the article is from 2003 with data gathered between 1988-2000... Many species, ie. great whites, have come back strong since then.
     
  4. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    I read some of the related research that the article mentions, and the data it uses is not solid enough to draw the kinds of conclusions that the writer is trying to draw. So I'm calling BS there, too. They even go so far as to point out the flaws in the available data that's being used, but then go ahead and draw the same conclusions. And that is total BS.

    But I'm also calling BS on "marine biology not being hard science." There's good research and bad research in every field of science. But I'll tell you without reservation... as someone who runs the highest ranked marine science career and technical education school in the country... that marine biology is most definitely "hard science."
     
  5. OldSoul

    OldSoul Well-Known Member

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    Nov 7, 2011
    Its kind of funny how someone can say marine biology is not real science, yet all the information that person "knows" about ocean life has come from a marine biologist. derP! :rolleyes:
     
  6. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Yup. And why would a rocket scientist be trusted to do research on aquatic life. I had two years of aerospace engineering courses while attending school, and the only classes that would even begin to help with this research would be calculus. And marine biologists would have attended those same classes (plus additional ones to give them experience in marine life).
     
  7. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    It's not that Marine Biology is not real science, it is the tendency today to portray science as beyond reproach. Just like the bull crap policies of the "progressive" movement, we are supposedly at the pinnacle of knowledge in science and social justice and anyone who opposes that are considered deniers and flat earthers. You can't deny that there is more information available than our individual eyes can observe, but there seems like there is always this unquestionable reason for every observation we make. An answer bigger than we can possibly fathom and the geniuses of science are there to guide us.

    When I bought the land where my home now sits I was concerned about sea level rise. At the time (15 years ago) there was a hysteria about the impending doom of global warming and a rising sea level. Scientists claimed that sea levels would rise by as much as 20 inches in the next 20 years. Being on the bay behind assateague I was concerned. Well I bought the land anyhow and built my house. Now 15 years later there has been no change whatsoever in the water level at my house or my waterfront neighbors. I mean literally nothing has changed. First person observation is that nothing has changed "scientists" say I'm wrong. Personal observation says sharks are increasing, science says the opposite, and you better not question it.
     
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  8. Sniffer

    Sniffer Well-Known Member

    Sep 20, 2010
    Your a surfer and you are putting down people who dedicate their lives to the ocean? U sound like a complete jackass making this statement. A Marine Biologist still has to study Chemistry, Physics and numerous other disciplines of science, not just the anatomy of a fish.

    Thru my understanding of Marine Biologists, many of them study the effects man is having on fish populations and trying to preserve stocks for future generations. U have a problem with that? Do u even like the ocean?
     
  9. ChavezyChavez

    ChavezyChavez Well-Known Member

    Jun 20, 2011
    Cool show on Nat GEO last night about the spike in attacks in NC in 2000 and 2011. Their examination of the bite wounds indicated almost all 16 attacks that happened during the spike in both years were Bull Sharks. Both years saw water temps that were higher than normal combined with a lack of rainfall. Most bites indicated a juvenile Bull Sharks which supposedly do not normally frequent North Carolina, Bull Shark nurseries are normally found off Florida. But the warmer water with higher salinity in the shallows around river mouths,inlets, and estuaries due to the lack of rainfall brought them further north at a time when more people are in the water. I still remember the fatal attack on the boy in Va Beach in 2000 or 2001. He was 10 and his dad was teaching him how to surf.
    I just got back from Topsail and the water was VERY warm and VERY salty with lots of bait fish activity. One small storm at night in 15 days so no rain. This year fits the theory proposed for the other two years.
     
  10. bennysgohome

    bennysgohome Well-Known Member

    Nov 13, 2009
    Exactly. Marine Biology is hard science and there is good research. The article in this link is total BS though.
     
  11. your pier

    your pier Well-Known Member

    Dec 2, 2013
    anybody notice the tagged whites on ocearch have stayed south so far this summer...part of that is probably due to a cool spring and slow warming of the atlantic, but with all the attacks, any chance they are staying down there because the current food source is plentiful? just a theory...

    by the way...there was a report up here a few weeks ago (in maine, not nh...i think nh know what they are talking about, and know how to report better...nh/ma also have a better idea when people are full of sh!t) that some dudes saw a white longer than their 22 ft boat...:confused:
     
  12. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    True. And guess what my MS is in?? Having said that, the problem with marine biology as a science is....we are only scratching the surface of what we know. As for myself, after I finished my graduate work in marine biology, at the time, jobs available were....sitting in a dinghy counting guppies, or squid, or lobster habitats, or fisheries biology with government in the Great Lakes. No thanks......
     
  13. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/environment/sharks/...

    Here is a link - hopefully - to a real life shark scientist. I have met him. He is an old salty dude who has degrees in a few disciplines - George Burgess at University of Florida. Check him out. He has collected data from every shark indecent since Noah's ark. He would have a good laugh at the HCbooger dude's ignorance.
     
  14. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._Burgess

    Try this one
     
  15. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    www.floridatoday.com/story/news/local/environment/sharks/...

    Here is a link - hopefully - to a real life shark scientist. I have met him. He is an old salty dude who has degrees in a few disciplines - George Burgess at University of Florida. Check him out. He has collected data from every shark indecent since Noah's ark. He would have a good laugh at the HCbooger dude's ignorance.

    www.zoominfo.com/p/George-Burgess/9829230C
     
  16. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    none of the links work ...time for a bong
     
  17. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Just look him up, I'm sure you will learn some stuff.
     
  18. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Hahaha! sisurfdogg.... the progression of your last five posts... crackin' me up! Awesome!

    Yea... as far as sharks go, George Burgess is pretty much a guru. I'd love to meet the guy...