Dichotomy: LB v. SB

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by sisurfdogg, Nov 12, 2015.

  1. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Just a couple days ago, TS Kate rolled past the Bahamas and gave us some good surf. On Monday it was head high and pumping with an onshore wind that made it section and sometimes close out. I took out my shortboard (an Orion 6'4" swallowtail - lots of float for an old guy, but is very maneuverable so it can go beyond vertical and shred the gnar.) I had lots of fun, and caught lots of waves. I felt very satisfied when the session was over.

    The day after, the swell dropped a bit to chest high,and the wind went offshore, so I took my longboard out (9' Mindless single fin with lots of rocker). I had lots of fun, and caught lots of waves. I felt very satisfied when the session was over.

    Looking back, and I know this has been in other threddes, the feeling of surfing the longboard and the flow was superior to the thrash of the shortboard. If it is bigger, there is no issue. I take the SB out and get an adrenaline rush. But on those either/or days, lately I've been feeling the glide, and digging the smooth cutbacks and the speed. Stylin with toes on the nose.

    Just sayin'.

    Anyone else feel the same way, or the opposite?
     
  2. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    I don't have a long board, only a 7'6" which feels huge to me. When it's bigger, there is no way I would let my 5'10" go. But on smaller days, I have had that 7'6" out and its a lot of fun.
     

  3. JohnnyCornstarch

    JohnnyCornstarch Well-Known Member

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    Feb 24, 2015
    What about a floaty fish? Or just like a potato or one of them roberts mush machines? Might be a safe bet on a chest high day.
     
  4. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I think that's why they call them fun shapes. I tried to make one. It is 7'6", but it is too thick, like 3", and the tail is too narrow ( I put a stinger in the rail just past the fins). So it catches anything but turns like crapola. The idea was to make a board that does most things (paddle, catch small to waist high mushy waves, turn, duckdive) well. It does nothing well but float. It's still fun on certain days, but you have to be on the front third of the board to turn it. Live and learn.
     
  5. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I made a fish and have had many over the years. They don't go straight. You have to turn them to make them work. The outline of the board,and the fin angle, cant and placement makes them to be surfed on rail. I love a fish on a bowly day. You can connect flat sections and go super fast off the white water, and they duck dive real good, and turn on a dime. But it is a more spastic approach to well groomed lines.
     
  6. JayD

    JayD Well-Known Member

    Feb 6, 2012
    I guess I look at it as living the best of both worlds (or multiple). I would prefer my HPSB and HH glassy, punchy surf. I prefer my wider/thicker SB for when it's mushy, sectioned out, or smaller. I have a 9'6 and an 8' for days like your talking about. Just go out, catch a ton of waves, no pressure (long board makes you less serious about surfing I think) and leave the water feeling Irie!!!
     
  7. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    You need to take Barry Cudas "shaping" class. It essentially teaches you to chase 38-32-36 and to forget all other shapes.
     
  8. Peajay4060

    Peajay4060 Well-Known Member

    Nov 14, 2011
    Glide.
    I Think I know what you're sayin'. I've been longboarding smaller and mushier stuff for a year. And I think it has to do with glide. Or at least forward projection with less effort. Been digging the glide more on bigger waves too and my boards are getting more and more geared for it. glide also means a good paddle. I want to get from here to there a little easier. Done right you don't lose much maneuverability. Been riding the biggest days on a Russ Short bonzer. Thing is sick. I'm not generating the speed, I'm controlling it through turns. I'm still surfing vertically but I'm making it through the sections that I hadn't been since I've been civilized and I stay in the water longer because I'm not as gassed from always having to pump for speed. and it's a 6'2". It still duck dives. between the long board days and the bonzer days I'm on a quad fish.

    I like skating down hill because no matter what I do gravity keeps the board moving. Even when I fall off it.
    in my mind I surf like this.
    https://vimeo.com/10639986
     
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  9. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    Ride what you brung.

    I don't discriminate (unless you are a kook).

    My idea of a "dichotomy" is to listen to Bob Marley while you're on a ski lift.
     
  10. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010
    I feel that (along with wave size/ conditions )- that it also has to do with how your feeling/mood or style.

    For me-longboarding is more then just being able to ride a smaller day- it's about style and how I'm feeling that day. Same with shortborting

    I actually rather ride a longboard in waves that are waist/chest hi or bigger, rather then small knee hi. So there are days that are totally shortboardable but i would rather longboard- so I do... I have also been know to take it out on select big days- talk about an adrenaline rush dropping into an 8 to 10 ft wave on a longboard! Although I'm always hesitenant on paddling a longboard out on bigger days so as not to break a board...

    Anyways- I gotta agree, there is something about longboarding that is super fun and refreshing- no matter the wave size.

    Here is a smaller day in the spring on my 10'4 Phillips pig...

    image.jpg image.jpg
     
  11. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
  12. Barry bottomfeeder

    Barry bottomfeeder Well-Known Member

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    Oct 19, 2015
    Thats some smooth stylin!!!
    Lucky if I get a wave that you can do 2 turns on
     
  13. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I like the dims O Barry! Split tails are my favorite shape.
     
  14. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    My dad always taught me: "Work smahtah, not hahdah" ( he was from Boston).

    The older I get ,the more better it is to let the board and the wave do the work. That, to me, is being connected, and feeling and weaving with the vibe of Mother O.
     
  15. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I've paddled out by mistake with a longboard in way overhead surf. I checked it between sets. I made due, and what a fing rush. Lucky I didn't snap ol trusty in half, but o my God what a rush. I have not intentionally gone out in macking surf with a giant piece of fiberglass, but lots of respect to Greg Noll, and his ilk. Nice photos brother!
     
  16. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Jamaican Bobsled! Ya Mon!
     
  17. Barry bottomfeeder

    Barry bottomfeeder Well-Known Member

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    Oct 19, 2015
    Sometimes she give off vibes that say ride me hard! Spank me!!! Treat me like a dirty girl and leave your marks all over me!!
     
  18. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Yep but it goes in phases , sometimes prefer the LB and other times the SB. I usually bring both and decide after checking it.
     
  19. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    chest high long period lines this evening after work. I was riding a 4'11" square tail twinnie. The guy next to me was riding a 9'6" I think we were both having a blast.

    For me, board choice is about a lot of things besides wave size. Phases (i've been digging the log a bit more this year) whether the conditions suit doing a bunch of turns (go short, regardless of wave size up to a point) or the conditions favor walled up/get slotted/no turns (mid range or even longboard no matter how big).

    I tend to ride longer boards/longboards in big surf and shorter boards in smaller waves with my smallest boards (4'10", 5'7") for the smallest waves.

    This seems to be a different approach, but I like it.
     
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2015
  20. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I always bring 2 boards, or I regret it. And my CD case has reggae, punk. dead, zep, jazz, charlie brown xmas, depending on mood.