Discussing Roy's surfboard designs.

Roy the truth is Garrett McNamara's achievements in surfing are abundant, including many major achievements. I do not think you have any achievements in surfing that can rival even some of his smallest accredited achievements. McNamara's achievements are far superior to yours and therefore your critique holds very little legitimacy. He is a superior surfer, the world record holder for the largest wave ever ridden. The fact that he was unable to get a good ride on your board on that wave I have to believe is the fault of the unorthodox equipment, not the (accomplished) rider.

 

Close this thread and throw it in the trash. It's getting really exhausting.

 

Your ego stretches beyond emotions. It goes into your design discussion and is a key part of your entire business model. The fact that you can't see that is proof of extreme self-admiration. Your reality is a blur at this point.

 

I think we should close this thread as he is using it as free advertisement. Why do you think he keeps posting links to his website? He will troll every surf website until his stuff is all over the place. Don't we usually delete spam? We are actually the idiots for being trolled so hard. He probably doesn't even believe half the stuff he posts. I had a philosophy teacher that could do this. He would pick a subject and take the side that he was actually against. He would then argue passionately for that side.

If you don't believe me, go ahead and google his name or anything having to do with million dollar surfboards. You will get links to many forums, and links to his website in those forums. I had this suspicion earlier, but waited until I had validation to mention anything. I am considering reporting to SI.

 

Roy... I think the sheer stamina you have for arguing is by far the most amazing thing about you. For someone with so much knowledge and experience you have better things to talk about than to perpetuate the bickering.

Regarding the quote above... All foils have two sides. The net force creates effective lift resulting motion. So to clarify, all other things being held constant, a symmetrically foiled fin creates less net lifting force, and less motion, than a single foiled fin. So to compare the lift created by a large single fin and a thruster or quad or any multi-finned board, you have to factor in the lift created by all the fins. And at some point you have to begin to consider not only lift, but thrust.

Roy... why not introduce the concept of your tunnel fin at this point? Talk about how they work not only in terms of lift, but their effect on drag, turbulence, angle of attack, interaction with the bottom, flex, thrust... plenty to talk about there.

 

Roy, take it easy on the low hanging fruit. You asked for specific questions and your received them, now you ignore them?

I still want to know what kind of vehicle you drive too.

 

There is nothing wrong with my argument. They are perfectly valid. Leave the logic, grammar, and philosophy criticisms out of your posts. You are trying to tell Garrett Mcnamara how to surf correctly am I wrong? Who is the better surfer of you two? Do you think you are qualified to give Garrett McNamara surfing advice Roy?

You keep saying that everyone but you the rides your boards is doing it wrong. Maybe your boards just arent that good. Your boards may be worth a million dollars to you, but not to anyone else it seems. In fact you couldn't pay ME a million dollars to ride one of your boards and nothing else for the rest of my life.

 

Why do you love Garrett McNamara so much? How dare Roy sully his good name!

Much as it pains me to say, I'm kind of with Roy on this one. The shaper can almost always offer some good advice to ANYONE, pro or not, on how to make the most his or her board's design features (in this case, even if it's just because no one has any experience riding anything similar due to the, let's call it "unique", shapes Roy is producing). And really, it was a pretty harmless sentence about moving forward on the board. Let it go. Otherwise you're just inviting Roy to state his point again, and I sure wouldn't want you to have to read another bad thing about GMac!

*Disclaimer* None of this is intended to support the logic, shapes and especially cost of Roy's boards.

 

Please don't suggest that he attend any type of school. God forbid he ever takes a law class or meets an aspiring ambulance chaser. He'll be suing every board co. out there since he is the visionary behind every board design out there. Even though every.single.one of them has improved on his revolutionary designs. We know the lawyers will argue they couldn't have arrived at their inefficient designs without his dream inspired development of the modern surfboard.



On another note, I have seen/heard boards that sing when the placement of one of the fins was off. These were usually ghost shaped and/or cheap boards though. Wait...did I just almost agree with something he said??? I'll go kill myself now.

 

Wait until tomorrow. What else am I going to do at work today.

 

I don't even like him, but you bet your ass i respect him. His accomplishments ARE greater than most certainly anyone on this forum including you, so if he rides a surfboard it is noteable, hense the entire reason Roy would want him to ride it in the first place.

I also don't like your sarcasm or your manners, your opinion holds no wright to me because you ptesented it in a rude and belittling manner. Remember the one who attempts to make others look small is in fact the small one.

 

Goose, actually Roy has no basis for saying the noise is the fin hum that happens when the foil might be damaged. the videos I can hear them in... the camera is one the deck of the board and its picking up things the human ear can't hear. I have never heard the noise while surfing so its not foil error. Its something that happens when a certain speed is reached and is only a quick short lived scream that is most likely do to the board starting to plane on the surface of the water. If it were not for the camera, I'd have never heard it.
Just another case of Royboy talking out his hippie arse.

 

Do you think it could be a noise created by the camera housing?

 

Not at all. Its created from the board moving over the water at high speeds. I'll see if I can post a video that won't fire up the angst of the gopro haters, but will demonstrate the sound.... lol. If you're on clean somewhat powerfull surf your board probably makes the noise too...

 

All in good fun bubonic, certainly no offense intended, just offering a rare word of semi-defense for Roy because I do think he who shapes the board, knows the board. Just another day of procrastinating from work by trolling forums, but I do appreciate the passive-aggressive words of wisdom!

 

Well you give a pretty vague description of the sound... a sound that "the human ear can't hear" and you "have never heard the noise while surfing so its not foil error."

If it isn't fin hum you may have a small creature or fairy type thing living in your board. I've heard a lot of shapers try to trap leprechauns and fairies and stuff and actually glass them into their boards in order to make the "magic board." Often times leprechauns and fairies, etc. are not visible or audible to regular people unless they are believers. I'd chop up that fairy laden board of yours, catch that leprechaun, steal the gold and have Roy custom make you a 24' yachtboard.

 

these are all good thoughts! well its not so crazy that one couldnt hear it while surfing.. but when looking back at video it can be clearly heard.... the board does magnify sounds and anything attached to it that records sounds could hear it, while a person whose ears are 4 to 5 feet above has too much noise going on around him to hear it...
what I do know is that its definitly not foil error or any crazyness that Roy suggested... but upon listening to it it could be wind rushing by the camera housing (like you mentioned)... but I feel like its just noise of board traveling over water at a higher speed which is magnified through the board and thus picked up by the camera...

here's a clip... around 18 seconds you can hear it for about 2 seconds...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FAOqT7L28g