Discussing Roy's surfboard designs.

Where did I misquote the article Roy? Click link then zoom to read.

 

look if you have a problem understanding Roy's pricing and business model look at this link.
Its clear as day...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO5sxLapAts

 

Holy crap I forgot about that episode. Priceless for sure. Wonder how much the NZ Gnome charges for underpants?

 

Really!?!? Come on, so Ben and Surfer came up with the 528 theory, the quote about "your wife" and all the rest without any input from you? I bet they also created a fake Ebay listing for the board. Not sure how it works in NZ but here in America that is called Libel and you can sue for it or at the very least have a retraction printed. So now two years later when you get ripped apart on SI, Swaylocks and a few other forums and Rarrick gives you a bad review suddenly everything is a lie? I bet you have that article framed on your wall as it seems to be the only semi positive bit of print about your boards.

Like I said your boards are very nice and you have great skills and this is a free market society so you can ask whatever you like for your art, but if you are going to charge the insane prices at least have the balls to own it when 99% of the surfing world calls BS on it.

PS, I forwarded your concerns about Surfers "lies" to the Editor Brenden and await his response.

 

In Roy's defense that article is a crap shoot.. The author knows nothing of how the board is built, telling me that yes the article and the group behind its publication know very little about Roy's work.

 

Charles you and Roy are both missing the point. The magazines like 99% of the surf community consider charging 10 times the average US household income in 2011 or almost 2x the average house price in 2010 outrageous! Roy you look and talk like a hippie but then turn around and say this is your own redistribution of wealth program from the rich to you, how hypocritical is that? The article did not in any way bash Roy's work (which as I have said is great) but did "talk down" about HIM again due to his pricing. Knowing how the board is built in no way helps justify the price. This is the issue most all people have with these boards. Charles you your self used Roy's plans to build your own did you not? I think that is great, but again it proves my point that companies that can sell their product do not turn around and sell their plans, if they did then why would anyone buy Coke and not just make their own if they could buy the secret formula? Why did Colonel Sanders protect his secret 11 herbs and spices? Because if it was public knowledge no one would go to KFC. I would be very interested to hear from Steve or Charles how much their Roy inspired board actually cost to make. As previously stated Roy's work is art and he is entitled to sell them for whatever price he wants but like I said "own" it and don't try to act like others should not disagree and get upset when people get angry at you charging outrageous prices for a very specialized board that is clearly not meant for or priced for the masses who will be the ones judging your work. This is akin to a painter getting bent out of shape for an art critic not liking their work or saying it is overpriced.
Roy I know this is your work and you take criticism very personal as evidenced by your banning from Swaylocks. Like all artists if you are going to put your work out there you gotta take the heat it will bring from those who disagree with it. Do you see Spielberg going ape poopy when a critic does not like his movie? You dig yourself a hole with your cryptic responses to valid criticism and then act like the world is against you and every surf publication hates you. If you have sold a board for $500,000+ then hire a lawyer, get the publications to print your words and not theirs, enjoy your money and go surf your creations.

 

I'm guessing you're not in market research. A large percentage of people buy ****ty fried chicken because its cheap and convenient, not because they can't figure out to duplicate the recipe it at home!

 

???? That is not the point. KFC would not be the multi billion dollar company it is if they gave away the recipe. And in case you have not been in a KFC lately they are filled with poor people. Yes people will choose the lower cost product if given the option and it fills the same need with items such as food or drink, hence RC Cola instead of Coke but Coke is still a financial giant due to it's secret recipe and their sales crush RC Cola or other store brands. Why do you think people (not all mind you) lust after luxury cars when a Yugo will get them where they need to be? I do actually have a minor in marketing and understand your point but if you had the recipe for KFC would you not just make it at home like Charles did with Roy's board? This is the same as eating the ****y chicken (South Park Pun intended!) due to affordability and further proves my point to why Roy sells his plans which is a form of licensing them to others to build rather than cornering the market and only making them himself.

 

yankee/rcarter is all about being right regardless of topic or how wrong she really is. her therapist is at a loss with her.

 

Care to elaborate on where I am wrong in my post? I stated it was my and others opinion that Roy's boards are overpriced, went on to say due to a free market economy that Roy can charge whatever he wants but should expect people to have negative reactions to the price and cited two famous case studies about proprietary formulas and how they can create multi billion dollar companies.

 

listen to yourself...you sound like an idiot. stop trying to sound smart when discussing a hippies surfboard or surfing in general. your a stupid, toothless, methed out southerner for crying out loud! shouldn't you be taking your toaster apart? what a mindless goon. all you do is argue and try be superior. why is it important you tell him whats up?

I RULE YOU ALL

 

Again out of 66 pages with tons of other members saying the same thing as myself you come to fight with me. Take your own advice you posted earlier and just leave.

 

goes to show what kooks most SI posters are. why you still here? what happened to your temper-tantrum thread about how you want to delete your profiles and never come back because you got a wrist slap for throwing out murder threats...multiple times?

 

Dude read Roys Blog his surfboard story has been around for a while, his boards have been in surf shops In NZ and Im sure they have sold to many people. Roy sells alia blanks which Im assuming are in the fair market value category. Instead of being so concerned with cost which is a stigma for you surely, implanted by the surf industry, you should learn a bit about what other types of rare luxury items cost in todays market places. have a read about this http://most-expensive.com/top-10-furniture yeah this stuff is expensive but if your a top dog then why not? its called trickle down economics, the ultra wealthy demand and skilled craftsmen work with their clients to supply, its very simple really. I once built mortise and tenon garage doors with my father for a client on Martha's vineyard for a price that would upset you but the client got 100% unique and exotic doors from a wood called zebra wood.

I cant speak for Roy but like any artist and craftsmen there is always room for negotiating with most things, except ones wife of course, mine is priceless!

 

I do understand the price for luxury goods. In fact I use zebra wood guitar picks that are $17 a piece compared to $.25 or less for tortex. And as I said but you keep glossing over Roy can charge whatever he wants but he should expect the criticism that comes with it. I am sure there are plenty of folks who would chastise that homeowner for spending money on special garage doors and say they should have given money to a charity but as I've said that's America and thank God we can do as we please with our cash. I agree the ultra wealthy can afford whatever luxuries they want and that is fine but how does the surf industry place a stigma on the price of goods when they sell boardshorts for $80! If anything the industry is promoting skyrocketing prices. I would guess Roy does sell other items like the alaias and his plans otherwise he would go the way of Billabong. Also comparing handcrafted garage doors on a house that will appreciate to an item used for fun in a sport/hobby that can be smashed in large waves (just like any board not just singling out Roy's) is not quite the same.

I know you support Roy and that is fine so I'm not trying to start a war with you, just stating a differing opinion on an artist work. It's very common in all other art forms and that is why we have critics. Why is Roy held to a different standard and untouchable?

Oh and I agree my wife is priceless too but I might trade her for a step up and a trip to CR! Just kidding.

 

then the issue you have with parallel profile surfboards aka Roy boards is a huge hypocrisy, they are indeed luxury items. Again your assuming that if you called Roy on the telephone to order a Board made by him that it would cost you 1 million and there is no exception. think of it as a luxury auction people might bid they might not they might low ball but in the end something somewhere sells.

Investment bankers from Long Island should give their money to everyone including charities and especially our woodworking business. Trickle down economics is exactly why the rich shouldn't be in a comparable tax bracket to middle income americans, they create the economy tax them less.

I don't get it, in the boat building industry its ok for Hunter day yahts to sell boats and its also ok for Royal Huismen to sell so thats clearly a very mature market with allot of consumer interests involved, think of a Roy board as the suit of armor to an English mansion but rather the surf quiver the the Royal Huismen Yacht. just trying to make a friendly analogy.

Roy will never go the way of billabong because his surf company obviously isn't listed on the nasdaq therefore unless he doesn't level the balance sheet his surf ideology is immortal. A wooden surf shaper can always frame a house or build a boat or do anything else friend.

Correct. He is not untouchable, but only on the basis of surf design, money does not affect ones surfing. Design wise everything is good surely. I can assure you Parallel profile surfboards are good, they take a long time to build and theres a small tolerance for error really.

 

You will never agree with myself or the others who dislike Roy's prices (notice I have never put down the construction, durability or design of Roy's boards) and you obviously feel the price is justified so that your opinion and your are entitled to it just as we are about Roy's pricing model.