Discussing Roy's surfboard designs.

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by Roy Stuart, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    My boards are built in a wide range of weights, and in terms of longboards 9 footers can be done under 20 pounds if desired. The Ghost 12 footer is only 24 pounds. The point I was making is not that heavy boards are better to hike with but that greater weight than is typically used by the foam board industry can be used to advantage in the water..
     
  2. RID

    RID Well-Known Member

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    Feb 1, 2011
    This is classic. Roy has gotten in fights on ever surf related forum he has ever stepped foot on. I spend a lot of time on a grain surf forum (Not the company out of Maine but rather a forum dedicated to the cottage industry of wooden surfboard making) to learn and discuss various wooden building techniques. Roy has had some massive arguments on their. And the argument is nearly identical in every situation.

    That being said wood boards are a ton of fun to build and ride very well. I have never ridden a shortboard so maybe they are not the best for that style of surfing but if you enjoy cruising and making smooth turns on a wave you will love a wood board.
     

  3. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    Roy, Sounds like it's time for a demo day.
     
  4. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    It takes more than one person in order to have an argument.

    As you know there is a global surfing mind set, thus it is hardly surprising that similar objections to what I do occur in various places.

    I've been a member of the Grain forum since 2004, by invitation, and my policy is to respond calmly, sincerely, and as intelligently as possible.

    As can be seen here the haters tend to post a lot of personal abuse, I try to ignore it and concentrate on the subject matter.


    That is certainly not the case if one reads the content.


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  5. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Hi Lee,

    We have a demo board which has just arrived in San Francisco, it will be heading North at some point, if you'd like to have a go then I'm sure that it can be arranged.

    It's this 13 footer, the same board which Garrett was pictured riding on this thread.

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  6. RID

    RID Well-Known Member

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    Feb 1, 2011
    The discussion here is identical to one I read over a year ago on grain from the discussion of weight right down to the call for a demo day. Maybe some of the words used are different but he ideas are all the same
     
  7. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I disagree, some of the members here have expressed ideas which I haven't seen before, and the fact that much of the subject matter has been discussed before should not be an issue.

    In any case at least it shows that I am consistent in my opinions.
     
  8. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    Wait... Now I'm confused. This is Roy Stuart?
     
  9. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    Look at this horrible style. What a Kook

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  10. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    The demo day ... there's only one man who's ready for any conditions from Pipe to Hilton Head...
    Yo!
    It's he himself .....THE NJSHREDMACHINE
     
  11. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I don't see anything wrong with the rider's 'style', do you?
     
  12. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Hang on a minute I'll ask him....
     
  13. petesmith

    petesmith Well-Known Member

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    Oct 12, 2009
    Roy, your surfboards perform terribly in all aspects compared to all other boards. Your opinion about this is different because it is wrong. You should only ask $2000 maximum, more than that is being selfish. I truly believe you are not a good person. Please dont reply to this i dont care
     
  14. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Incorrect, the performance advantages have been demonstrated countless times in the water, in comparison with all comers.

    Of course ultimately I'm only talking about wave making ability.

    Your moral 'judgement' is laughable.

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    Last edited: Feb 5, 2013
  15. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Here is a review of a Stuart board's abilities as written by an no-agenda Randy Rarick. The whole thing is a longer article, but the part that's of interest is performance, right? Cause that's what's being claimed is 'revolutionary.'

    Randy Rarick is being charitable & diplomatic in his performance review of a Stuart board he rode in Hawaii in 2008:

    "For Hawaii, you don't need that much rocker. Maybe some nose lift to keep from pearling, but the extreme rocker didn't fit in the curve of the wave and just seemed to slow it down. While the soft rails in the nose are very forgiving, to extend it all the way to the tail makes if feel like an old '60's tanker. I would add some rovings and build up an edge in the tail so that you get some release off the tail. As of now, with the soft rolled rail in the tail, the water wraps over the rail and that combined with the extreme tail lift, just makes it slow down. There is simply no release in the tail. The fin as mentioned above is more area than necessary for the tail width and just tends to create additional drag. Template wise, I would of moved the wide point forward to allow more tail rail, which would of improved the "run" aspect of the board, as now with the curve in the back, it just cuts down what "turning" radius there is. The rocker is way too extreme and you could cut off two feet of nose and it would not hamper the performance of the board in any way. This particular board, as mentioned was fun to ride. The only problem is that I had to make it work. It didn't make it easy for me. I doubt I would want to take it out in anything much hollower than what I had it in, since as I mentioned above, there was no way I could get any drive off the bottom. On a big facy wave it would be fun, but the idea of taking this out to Pipeline would be a scary thought in my opinion."

    Doesn't sound like it's worth being in Costco, let alone $500k. People buying this thing really are clown acts.
     
  16. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013

    Sorry, but Randy is totally wrong, he only rode 6 waves and fell off on four of them.

    Take his comments re. rocker for example, he claims to be a surfboard designer but makes the newbie mistake of saying that the board has a an extreme rocker when it is in fact on the low to moderate side.

    His comments re. release are just as silly. The tail is a low drag displacement tail, the water is designed to wrap over it and all the release occurs at the pintail.

    There's a lot more BS in there too, but that's enough to be getting on with. Bottom line is that he failed to ride the board as it is designed to be ridden, and failed to realise that this was due to rider error.
     
  17. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Ok, I get it. Everyone is wrong. But you. You are the surfboard way & the truth.

    BTW, you're the one who said it's essentially unparalleled in wave-catching function. Yet, a guy with decades of experience on all types of boards "failed." Not the equipment. The rider.

    Got it. This is just free PR for you, isn't it? Along the lines of 'any publicity is good publicity.'

    I'm out.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2013
  18. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Poor boy? I am not poor. I make an honest living, unlike you. Your work isn't art, just like the knock offs you speak of. I know many artists. Some are musicians, some are painters, and some are just far out. None of them sell their work for half a mil. They don't do it for the money either. They create things that make them happy. They sell the work just so they can afford to live and create more. You are not an artist.
     
  19. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Incorrect, you are assuming that 'everyone' has the same opinion is Mr Rarick. That is absolutely wrong, many people who have ridden the board have a very high opinion of its performance.

    Your suggestion that I've said that myself and my boards are "the way" is also wrong, I've never said that. My comments on the performance of these designs are specific, and qualified by specific performance goals.


    That is correct.

    It was rider error, and an inability to admit it or adjust to the requirements of the shape.
     
  20. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    It doesn't even matter if this board can perform ok. It is still a scam. The guy thinks people walk longboards to keep balance. I can ride in one spot on my friend's Allison and keep perfect balance. Maybe poor nooB surfers are just better at longboarding.