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Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by metard, Apr 18, 2019.
yeah, that's a very foreign subject to me
There's a difference between localism and regulation. Some folks are confusing the two. I have regulated a few morons in my life due to them being a safety hazard, asshole, or clueless idiot. This has to do with safety and self preservation and has nothing to do with localism.
Localism is when you are treated like scum just for showing up. There are varying degrees of enforcement of localism. JayD's experience is an example of localism, but sounds pretty mild since he still remained in the water and surfed, but after all the other bros got theirs.
Other places, like the video Bassmon posted, they will just run you out of the water all together. And the most extreme is when they actually physically attack you and your property.
To me localism for the sake of localism is stupid. But regulating a hazard is justified and warranted. People should differentiate the two.
Lastly, guys who can barely pop up or stand up anymore (no offense) should not be barking like they an enforcer. Believe me, nobody is worried about some guy who can barely make it to their feet. You won't be making anybody's day miserable because you most likely are getting out paddled and out surfed, so acting like the enforcer on here is really a pipe dream for you.
The results are in. Every break is different. It's not hiking. Nor is it rock climbing. Or mountain biking. Some people screw it up. Some locals get it all wrong and ruin a good day. Some non-locals get it all wrong and bring it upon themselves. But clearly there is something at every break that is unique, population wise, and sometimes things don't flow with the stoke that should be there.
My beach is just me and the local boys 90+% of the time. Once in a while someone shows up and thinks it's all his. And then sometimes something happens.
This is a rare occurrence. But the op asked. So yes.
Yes. I should have clarified. You are correct. Now being crippled. I am the guy far from the peak all alone in the closeouts. I am the guy knowing my place and staying out of everyone's way. And if i do get up on my feet thank God for that.
I never barked. I always just tried to gently nudge some sense into said offenders.
But the scenario does clearly still take place all over. I hear pray tell of certain sponger breaks in pr, yeah?
So whether you call it localism or regulation you are 100% correct here.
You forgot your favorite slogan surfing is a not "Team Sport" ............
Right on, I can appreciate your struggle and I do not mean to label you as anything, especially "cripple" (your words). But maybe it's time to let that localism stuff go. If you got friends who do it, that's them. Just my .02, keep up the good fight BB, never give in to your health, go down swinging!
BTW I love you Metard, this thread is some good chum lol
Well i only did nonviolent 'regulating' when unknown folk plunked themselves in the middle of our stoke and ruined it by snaking every wave, and those days for me went out the window when my ability did. It would be great if there was always enough waves to go around. By the way, if i call myself a cripple it's just what it is. Going to try to surf Buxton again right now. Walking down to where i will not be a hazard.
Localism, regulation, enforcement.
Either of those, when repeated often and to the notice of law enforcement, are what bring town regulations in to prohibit surfing at town beaches. It is the knee jerk reaction to a problem they do not need.
In todays surfing world, it is coming to a hasteful end. The surfer population has changed, pussified really. The few locals insisting it's "their break" will soon be gone as money talks (tourism).
Been like that, is like that, will be like that.
Hope you get the ride of your life, it's never too late.
I personally have never laid hand on someone over surfing. Some stern words of encouragement to F off have always been enough to get them to move down the beach and away from me. I would never physically attack someone, I only defend myself when attacked, and that's never happened over surfing either.
My comments were generalized, not addressed to you.
Everything has a carrying capacity. Beach towns have a limited capacity for beach fights etc. When the capacity is exceeded, towns regulate, prohibit, forbid, etc.
As for myself, I don't care anymore, never did actually about localism; never had to, I always seemed to have the respect of local surfers, no matter where I went .
Gotcha. I haven't been a target of localism myself either, even in PR. Crowds on the other hand is another story lol
All true. Thank you.
This isn't a bash on you, i totally get what your saying. Your talking about guys ruining stoke and snaking waves. Get it 100%. I quote you just as a reference.
It's the bad etiquette and stoke killers that need regulation. "Localism" in this day and age is silly under most..... most but not all....circumstances. Fact is everybody surfs now. It could very well be the hardcore local who is the stoke killer. Iv surfed with guys iv never seen before, admit to me it's the first time at this break, and i have awesome sessions and actually enjoy the company. Just because they are non local doesn't mean anything.
Point being that localism is generally a silly concept in this era of surfing. At least on the east coast. If your a non local at a beach break and your maintaining position on the peak and locals aren't.... well you get more waves. Yes, being a non local it is very much appreciated to throw the locals a bone and not get greedy. But i don't see any reason for the non local to wait. It's a balance act. Show respect and get it. Quite a simple concept.
The ironic part is that in my experience, those stoke killers and guys snaking are the older locals who feel entitled but don't have the ability to maintain position or not blow waves. Instead of doing as BB does and move down the beach they stay put because in there mind, they own it.
When was the last time your mountain bike got destroyed because some clueless googan ditched their mountain bike.
I've been on the receiving end of the localism issue, so I feel qualified to give some advise.
If you're not local and you start getting hassled, back off... quick. I've never left a spot... just showed respect, gave a wide berth, and picked off whatever uncontested waves I could. For the most part, I've found that strategy works. But definitely don't kook it up or you'll lose any shred of respect you might get. Meaning... if you're not good, they won't even tolerate your presence. This has been the case for me here in NJ (outside my local), CA, PR... and other countries in Europe.
The worst localism I ever encountered was a super crowded day at a spot in Spain, where I got a board shot straight to my face. I had the peak and went right... he dropped in on the shoulder and shot his board straight at me. Hit my jaw and F'd me up, good. A lifeguard actually intervened at that point... and that was the end of that.
Damn, that's dirty.
Younger people generally respect old folks, B
I don’t think many analogies fit surfing well, but the closest one in my head is probably skiing.
Wait your turn: catch a wave, paddle back and get in line. Don’t cut in front of others who have been waiting.
Experience: if your level is blue squares and you absolutely have to try a black diamond, find an easier one away from experienced riders. Your inexperience could cause an inconvenience to others, or possibly injury.
I get localism, I’ve been yelled at by the worst: Windansea, Big Rock, Newbreak and others. It sucks when a bunch of others come and interrupt what was once the realm of you and your budz. I don’t support localism, but I understand it. That type of “you don’t live here, so don’t surf here” tribalism is slowly dying.
But I support regulation. And who’s gonna do it? Weekend blow-in’s? No, the guys that live there should rightfully make the calls.
Too bad lineups don’t have lift lines lol. Surfing might be a bit more civil.