Does water temperature affect fin performance?

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Roy Stuart, Oct 12, 2015.

  1. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
  2. cepriano

    cepriano Well-Known Member

    Apr 20, 2012
    absolutely roy,water temp affects everything!!!the water temp ruined my last marriage,and that's all I have to say about that:cool:
     

  3. bareassjack

    bareassjack Member

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    Sep 28, 2015
    It's not blatantly noticeable, I already bulk up my boards (volume, width, thickness, etc.) for winter to compensate for a wet wetsuit weighing up to 30 lbs. But I don't know man, I'm all for experimenting with his fin suggestions though- especially with the cold weather moving in quickly in the northeast.
     
  4. Scobeyville

    Scobeyville Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2009
    Water temperature (cold) has a negative affect of performance...of my nutssssss
     
  5. DonQ

    DonQ Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    I'm no scientist but I do know that the water get denser as it gets colder. Possibly more drag? Interesting observation Roy.
     
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  6. Towelie

    Towelie Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    as a physicist, my opinion is:

    wattre in winntre ~=30 min.
    summre ~=80 max. correct?

    thats 50F fluctuation. enough to require diff whacks on your stick. but fins? lets explore further

    some of the more popular compounds used in manufacturing of surfboard fins are:

    G10 :

    Physical Properties Metric English
    Density 1.80 g/cc 0.0650 lb/in³
    Water Absorption 0.10 % 0.10 %

    Mechanical Properties Metric English
    Hardness, Rockwell M 110 110
    Tensile Strength at Break 262 MPa 38000 psi
    310 MPa 45000 psi
    Flexural Strength 448 MPa 65000 psi
    517 MPa 75000 psi
    Flexural Modulus 16.5 GPa 2400 ksi
    18.6 GPa 2700 ksi
    Compressive Strength 448 MPa 65000 psi
    Izod Impact, Notched 6.41 J/cm 12.0 ft-lb/in
    7.47 J/cm 14.0 ft-lb/in
    Thermal Properties Metric English
    CTE, linear 9.90 µm/m-°C 5.50 µin/in-°F
    @Temperature 20.0 °C @Temperature 68.0 °F
    CTE, linear, Transverse to Flow 11.9 µm/m-°C 6.61 µin/in-°F
    @Temperature 20.0 °C @Temperature 68.0 °F
    Thermal Conductivity 0.288 W/m-K 2.00 BTU-in/hr-ft²-°F
    Maximum Service Temperature, Air 140 °C 284 °F

    Fiberglass:

    Physical Properties Metric English
    Specific Gravity 2.49 g/cc 2.49 g/cc

    Mechanical Properties Metric English
    Hardness, Mohs 6.5 6.5
    Tensile Strength, Ultimate 3033 MPa 439900 psi
    Elongation at Yield 4.8 % 4.8 % 100% Elastic Recovery
    Modulus of Elasticity 69.0 GPa 10000 ksi

    Thermal Properties Metric English
    CTE, linear 7.20 µm/m-°C 4.00 µin/in-°F
    @Temperature 100 °C @Temperature 212 °F
    Specific Heat Capacity 0.887 J/g-°C 0.212 BTU/lb-°F
    Softening Point 749 °C 1380 °F

    in other words.... if it doesn't soften - it doesn't affect flex, if it doesn't affect flex, it doesn't affect water redirection. aka i doubt you'll notice a difference.

    my .02
     
  7. JohnnyCornstarch

    JohnnyCornstarch Well-Known Member

    571
    Feb 24, 2015
  8. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    least of my worries. What, are you thinking of developing some sort of fin heating/cooling system?...no more bong-hits for you
     
  9. Towelie

    Towelie Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    heres a free one for all ya'll: spring loaded fins. angle of attack (rotational pop) or, leading/trailing edge (speed control via surface area variation....think aircraft wing flaps.. the more water pushes it in - the more it retracts = speed control. you need less of a wing at higher speeds.
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    something like that with lateral springs inside the fin body.
     
  10. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    You just sent the gnome off in a frantic lather, T.
     
  11. DonQ

    DonQ Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    What are the thoughts on water displacement on flat surfaces i.e. Dimples on surfboard hulls and fins?
     
  12. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    been done...giant failure.
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  13. Towelie

    Towelie Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    no dude, thats longitudinal angle variation. I'm talking lateral rotation and/or surface area variation.

    besides, you gotta hide those springs, salt water and sand and all... getting warmer tho... not affecting flex yet tho.
     
  14. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    ok, yeah...that's impossible.
     
  15. Towelie

    Towelie Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
  16. DonQ

    DonQ Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    10 people. I joint. 2 hits each?
     
  17. DonQ

    DonQ Well-Known Member

    Oct 23, 2014
    Like I said, I'm no scientist.
     
  18. Towelie

    Towelie Well-Known Member

    Nov 27, 2014
    This reminds me... wait..
     
  19. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    That's certainly not the case.

    Flow conditions affect foil performance. The magnitude of the difference is similar to that due to changes in speed in terms of aoa capability and lift vs drag.

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  20. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Now there's an idea... while we are at it we might as well heat the whole board.