Donald Trump potus 2016

So if you save 1,000 jobs from going to Mexico, but you lose 9,000 jobs to automation, you've still got 9,000 families who no longer have jobs, that's what I would call bad math. The days of large scale manufacturing in the US are well and truly over. Trump may be able to fool people in the old manufacturing belts with some token PR, but that's all it is. At then end of the day, these folks need to assess their situation, and take control of their own futures, cause Trump is *not* going to save them.

 

but if Killery or Osama did this you would be gushing from your mangina

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100331509

 

More useless negativity. Tell this to the people who still have a job now and see what they have to say. It's ok to admit when someone has done something good and just leave it at that. If it were anybody else you would have a different tone I bet. He can't save everbody's job no, and automation is a problem yes, but I think you are taking it to the extreme. Not every company will go that route, there will always be the need for humans. I don't see your logic though, it's like you're saying since automation is taking a lot of jobs that he shouldn't negotiate with companies to keep their jobs here in the US vs. Mexico or somewhere over seas.

 

see the link i posted. UNION jobs are a dying breed but manufacturing is doing well in right to work states

 

Good to see. The more we do things here at home the better. I believe most companies would stay at home if it made financial / business sense. Gotta change the landscape of things though, which is what he'll be doing. Make it financially stupid to go elsewhere. Problem solved. Business owners / CEO's are about the bottom dollar .

 

the bolt tightener 6000 doesn't go on strike...

 

OK, so Mr Trump's move to save 1000 jobs is a good thing. Great, I hope it works out. But how come when Mr Obama saved over a million jobs eight years ago in the auto industry it was such a bad thing? The auto bailout saved jobs all across the US including my own at the time.

I don't generally venture into the political treads much cuz it's usually just shouting and name calling and nobody's mind gets changed anyway. But I just gotta ask this question cuz it's so obvious.

 

That wasn't a bad thing he did, in principle. But GM should have been allowed to fail for making bad decisions. Also, GM was then cutting back on safety, and allowing sh1tty products on the market, products that ended up killing customers. Ford turned down help, and surprised the world by emerging victorious with good business practices, and better products. Not GM.

 

If you do the math concerning the Carrier deal it comes out to $700 per employee per year.
The annual income tax per employee will far exceed $700. By conservative estimations that's 5 million in tax revenue per year. That's a win win for the 1000 employees and the US.
The other part of the deal is Carrier will invest $16 million back into the state.

 

That seems to make sense... Thanks

 

I already said that saving these jobs was a good thing. But my point was that Trump's rhetoric that we're going to restore old manufacturing belts to their former glory is a misnomer as manufacturers just don't need that many employees today, about 1/3 of what they used to need. And the idea that Trump spouts that Mexico is responsible for most of our manufacturing job losses is not at all correct, it's robots, but it's hard to argue against increased efficiency through automation, so Trump being Trump blamed the job-stealing Mexicans and greedy companies, and that played great on the stump.

This is all not to say that I don't agree with bringing as much manufacturing back to the US as possible, absolutely, but be realistic on what that means.

 

I'm no fan of unions, but it does help explain why wage growth in the middle class has been stagnant during this recovery, non-union jobs don't pay as much.

 

probably that and many in the middle class aren't upgrading their skill sets.

 

I hear what you're saying but there's positives to these factories having better technology. It allows them to open up right here in America rather than overseas or in Mexico because they can run them with a smaller staff (less overhead), but those lucky people who get those jobs get paid a lot more than they use to in a lot of cases.

Instead of a bunch of workers making little, you have less workers making more. So there is a trade off. It's because of these reasons they are starting to pop back up in places like Mississippi. So while a bunch of them shut down years ago, some of them are starting to make a come back, but with the new model.

Businesses and people have to adapt to the new world we live in. This is encouraging to see. People that were living pay check to paycheck or who were laid off years ago, are now getting high paying jobs and living a good lifestyle. Seems like a good thing to me.

Now with the focus of bringing these jobs back coming from the new Pres, I think you'll see a lot more them popping up.

 

There was a good piece on this on 60 Minutes last night on manufacturing jobs returning to the SE, but with the caveats that you mentioned.

Trump can become the bully in chief and publicly berate companies that are moving jobs overseas, but real change will only occur when we make it more profitable for companies to stay (via regulations or tax implications), but this runs counter to Republican ideals on free market economies. Republicans have long supported free trade agreements, so congress may balk when the rubber hits the road.

 

Yeah, I saw the 60 minutes piece and have read some articles that were similar. It makes sense. I think it's great what that guy in Mississippi is doing to stimulate their economy. The place was a deserted wasteland, all the plants gone and he has turned it around and gotten things going in a positive direction with some of the newer plants we're talking about. So at least he's bringing back SOME jobs, ya know?

As far as them balking, I dunno, I think we're going to see a lot of change. He's got a lot of support now that he's won. It won't be like when Obama won and had the Republicans blocking as many moves as possible. He's got the odds in his favor unless they turn on him, which I don't see happening. He's unconventional yes, but he's a doer and holds people accountable. I like that about him.

 

Trump is saying a 35% tax rate for companies the outsource.

 

Exactly, good catch.