*F**ING Punks.

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by zach619, May 22, 2010.

  1. mexsurfer

    mexsurfer Well-Known Member

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    Jul 14, 2008
    What does this bike look like?
     
  2. Bronze Whaler

    Bronze Whaler Well-Known Member

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    Aug 22, 2009
    You make a lot of assumptions.

    Many illegals save a large amount of money to pay to be smuggled across the border. I don't believe they are all out of work & have starving families but, rather, could provide better with the opportunity they would have after violating our law and that's the decision they make.

    You assume I don't hold the US responsible for not enforcing our border or eliminating the illegal labor market that draws them here. I do. If we deported illegals, had a patrolled fence, hadn't granted them amnesty in the past, put our citizens on welfare to work at those jobs & had harsh penalties for those who employ them we wouldn't have this problem but that's like blaming zach for not locking up his bike.

    We are not the richest country in the world, according the CIA and Wikipedia: Singapore, United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Norway, Qatar & Luxembourg have a higher GDP in that order, according to the Human Development Index the US ranks 13th in standard of living, and considering our massive and exponentially increasing defecit we can't afford anything!
     

  3. surfcosta.com

    surfcosta.com Well-Known Member

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    Jul 16, 2008
    absolutely terrible but its this scenario is as old as the hills. you have to keep valuables out of site. good neighborhoods, not so good neighborhoods, whatever. sad as it is, we cannot leave bikes/boards etc outside on our own properties. its a fact that scumbags will try to take advantage of such oppurtunities. probably every one of us has been victimized at some point. now that summer is upon us be careful, better to be safe than sorry.
     
  4. MATT JOHNSON

    MATT JOHNSON Well-Known Member

    Oct 11, 2009
    Yeah it does suck that you cant leave anything on you own property unattended. If it know bolted down it has to be locked away so you can even enjoy it. In the part of my town it like this over time I have grown use to it. One winter I had a 5/4/3 stolen out of the bed of my truck . I didnt even leave it out of my sight for 5 mins.

    One thing you have to remember is if a theif wants something bad enough they will do anything to get it . I had a whole set of Carbon fiber Liquid file Auto meter guages stolen out of my race car , and my whole MSD ignition system aswell. I left the car locked up in my driveway while out of town on buisness. Needless to say I came home to find one of the small side windows busted out and my dash empty.

    Now I leave dont even waist my time locking them up. At night my boards go in my Shed and if the weather is nice I leave the door open cause my dog just happens to like sleeping in there in the when its warm out.

    What it boils down to is that people are to lazy to work to buy things and contribute to the economy and the community . But the rather steal and be ****s and make some honest working joe work twice as hard as he needs too
     
  5. Recycled Surfer

    Recycled Surfer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 1, 2010
    You can only hope that the kid who stole the bike splits his head wide open while riding it. Also, the use of deadly force requires the fact that if it was not used you know you would have been killed. The problem with our country is the law protects the criminal better than the victim. Why dont criminals obey gun laws - let me guess - oh yeah because their criminals. And don't expect the police to be there to protect you either - google the LA Riots or Katrina.
     
  6. MDSurfer

    MDSurfer Well-Known Member

    Dec 30, 2006
    Bummer, but

    You're probably right when you realized (even during the confrontation with the golf club in hand) that theft does not rise to the level of justifying deadly force, be it golf club or gun. Some stats from a 1994 study by the Department of Justice provides some interesting data on guns in the home.
    http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf
     
  7. Ray F.

    Ray F. Well-Known Member

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    Sep 13, 2009
    I do, but they're based more on life experience than Wikipedia. Please provide some references that have less dicey reputations. Given the CIA's & Wikipedia's questionable history for providing "facts" to the public, I wouldn't consider anything discovered on their websites as accurate.

    That said, aside from Norway & Luxembourg, I have been to every country you listed, sir, and I can assure you there are a good number of wealthy individuals, but their peasant-class is quite large. Even with this being true, however, you are identifying the individuals in these countries, where the money is distributed among tribes instead of the government. It's called a caste system. When those countries generate the tax collection numbers the U.S. does, and redistributes throughout their public, your point will be valid. As it stands, however, you're off the mark.

    In regards to blaming Zach, I do. Not legally, but as far as responsibility goes...absolutely. Leaving items unsecured is too tempting to thieves & he should know that, but there's no law that says he has to secure his property. Under the constitution, he cannot be held legally responsible for the theft of his bike. It is his property to do with, what he wishes...as long as it doesn't infringe on anybody else's rights. I fail to see a correlation between that and your proposed solution of enforcing an already exsisting (and constitutionally based) immigration law, though. Apples & oranges.

    As far as your opinion on saving a "large amount" to cross the border, what is the basis? Wikipedia? Mainstream media? Conversation with illegal aliens? For that matter, what's a large amount? I'm just curious.
     
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  8. Ray F.

    Ray F. Well-Known Member

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    Sep 13, 2009
    This must be MD specific. In NC, the state of my concealed permit, not only does one need no more than fear for their life, but deadly force can be executed if that person fears for someone else's life....be it family, friend or stranger.
     
  9. steelwave42

    steelwave42 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 7, 2006
    With this line, you hit the nail on the head, although I think you took the idea lightly, as most people do. I am speaking from experience here, solely from experience.

    I'm 29 years old and have worked many construction jobs being that I never went to college. While I lived in Alexandria VA, I lived in a prominently Mexican-American neighborhood. Shortly after moving there I got a job at an independant t-shirt shop making 7.00 an hour. On the side I was hustling some jobs with companies doing design work. During this period I was so poor, seriously, barely enough to make rent. I made friends with a Mexican guy who I met at a tattoo shop in DC while looking for work and he turned me on to a way to make more money. I would meet him early in the morning, just blocks away from where I was living, and take day-labor jobs with construction companies. Never less than 100$ a day cash... which was twice the amount of money I was making working my other "paycheck" jobs. I was ALWAYS the only white, english speaking person on that street, out of hundreds that hung around there every single morning. It was a salient sight, and went on like clockwork everyday. I lived by that method for awhile before moving away. Coming from Baltimore city I couldn't help but make the comparison between that scene and the dope game which runs rampant in the many ghettos of Baltimore. Mad kids pushing caps of heroin and coke on the corners. Just horrible corruption, right out there in the open, with cops driving by doing nothing about it. Accept in VA it was even worse in a sense, because you had tons of suits driving by going to the Pentagon to work everyday, just staring over at the loads of poor people standing on the side of the road waiting for work. Driving by with their coffees totally complacent. And now everyone is crying about the influx of illegal aliens??? C'mon man, maybe if the people who run and enforce laws in this country opened their eyes and payed attention to whats going on right out there in the open then we wouldn't be in the situation we're in... on ALL too many levels. People can place blame on whoever they want, but the bottom line is that most people in this country are so caught up in their own lives, and in their own GREED, that they simply look over such things which occur in everyday life. And then, one day, it bites them in the ass and starts to eat away at their bank accounts, and their well-being. Don't blame the Mexicans man. They are doing the same thing all of the poor people are doing... trying to GET BY, and live decent lives one way or another

    This whole illegal alien blame game is played. The employers are the enablers, plain and simple. Without them trying to trim their overhead this would not be happening.

    I know it is frustrating Zack, but lock your **** up or take it inside. Dumbasses and crackheads are everywhere man, it's just a fact of life... and if they come into your house, well you can beat the **** out of them.
     
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  10. BonerSurfs

    BonerSurfs Well-Known Member

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    Apr 14, 2007
    ha... I feel ****ed up saying it. But shoot him!!! In all honesty!!! If someone intrudes on your house, you have the right to shoot them. Say you felt you could have been killed, and blast that little ****er back to tijuana. All his little wanna be mexican gangster friends sure wouldn't **** with you then!!

    P.S. I lived in colorado for 3 years. It made me kinda bitter towards mexicans!!!
     
  11. Scobeyville

    Scobeyville Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2009
    ITs your own fault. lock your valuables up. I do a lot of messed up **** when im drunk:D
     
  12. Bronze Whaler

    Bronze Whaler Well-Known Member

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    Aug 22, 2009
    The GDP of the nations is a fact regardless of where one finds it listed. YOU said we are the wealthiest nation on earth. Erronious! Then you make an argument that what you were really talking about standard of living but fail to recognize, as I stated, that the HDI ranks the US 13th overall! Where did you cite your source for the stated "fact" that illegal aliens are "out of work & trhying to feed their starving families"? You didn't.

    You fail to see the analogy between zach not locking his bike up being an enticement to theives and the US not securing it's border? Really? The law says taking something that's not yours off someones porch is a violation of our rule of law just as crossing our border or remaining in our country after your visa/work permit has expired is a violation of our law.

    Should people secure their property to prevent theft? Of course. Should we enforce our border with Mexico? Obviously I strongly believe we should as well as the other measures I suggested. We (the US) seem to have left our bike out there unlocked (open border & illegal labor market), replaced the bike with a fresh one after it was stolen (amnesty in the past), and not reported the bike stolen (refusal by the Feds to effectively enforce laws in place) all for economic and political reasons.

    But where does it all end? Does zach close his screen door if he has one? Does he buy a heavy chain and padlock? or does he need to bring his bike inside where those poor thieves won't be tempted by it and stand over it with a double barrelled 10 guage coach gun full of rock salt? I think we probobly agree that his bike should not be stolen but it will be unless he locks it up and the higher the value of said bike the more measures he would need to take to secure it as it would be increasingly appealing to thieves. And at what point do you assign fault to the law breakers- when the temptation is removed? Reminds me of " A Clockwork Orange";)

    The way I understand it many illegals pay $5,000 or more to be smuggled across the border which is more than enough to "feed their starving families" and my point was although living conditions in Mexico are poor and opportunities not as abundant as here they are hardly crossing the border solely for the very pinnacle of the "heirarchy of needs (basic food & shelter)" but rather for the more comfortable & luxurious standard of living that the disregarding US laws & borders "tempts" them with.
     
  13. Ray F.

    Ray F. Well-Known Member

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    Sep 13, 2009
    It sounds like you have it figured out. My exposure to illegal aliens and multiple tours in numerous mid-eastern countries certainly doesn't stand up to yor Internet research. I stand corrected.
     
  14. LegendJim

    LegendJim Well-Known Member

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    Apr 18, 2010
    I have been robbed twice in major ways and numerous minor times. I have a Scottish Claymore by my front door in hopes that this situation will happen. If someone wants a piece of my property I will be more than happy to trade for a a piece of them!
    FYI. I also feel the same way about people that drop in.
     
  15. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Well, although I slightly disagree, I understand those of you who are saying "Zach deserved to get his bike stolen because he didn't have it in his house". Well first of all, I have a 2bd 2 bth apartment with not a ton of storage and really NOWHERE to put a Bike inside. So I leave my beach cruisers bike-locked to my patio. I mean, that is pretty much as secure as I feel that I need to make my beach cruiser, in a gated beach community in San Diego.

    I mean, I used to live in east baltimore at one point. I have been held at gun point, I have had my car stolen, car ransacked, I used to hear gunshots almost every night from greenmount avenue a few blocks away... So, I moved away from PEOPLE like that and areas like that a long time ago. And I realize that I cant trust people just because im in some gated beach community now. But I have a security guard in my parking lot. We have thousands of people living in here. I have marine neighbors all around me with guns.

    It was a random act by some kids...

    So, while I was pissed about it, its no reason to start hating the world again...

    And I am also pretty sorry that I mentioned that the kid was mexican, because it sparked a whole different conversation that is sounds like not to many people really understand.

    I am not professor of immigration, but I do live 10 miles from the mexican border and over 1/3 of the population of my county is Hispanic, most of which were born IN MEXICO...

    So, with that being said, I think I have a little credibility on the topic... The first thing that I will say is that the Mexican community as a whole, is the SINGLE, HARDEST working most dedicated NATION of people that live on this green earth... They are also (at heart) very kind, religous, law abiding and god fearing people....

    I employ LEGAL mexicans. I run a business and I have NEVER been disappointed in ANY employees from mexico. As long as they are properly documented, they can do more than 3 gringos can in the same amount of time. And when I didnt RUN a business, and worked for one, I worked side by side with Mexicans who illegally came here, and they work even HARDER...

    So for many years, it was never a problem... The only people that complained about mexicans were poor american people in a GREAT economy that were *****ing that mexicans are taking all the jobs, yet they are UNWILLING to take a job getting paid $7.00 an hour to clean up horse sh** on a farm or something. I mean, for many years, we looked the other way while mexicans did the jobs that none of us wanted....

    Now that the economy tanked, and people lost work... NOW AND ONLY NOW are people upset... People are mad because now they DONT HAVE A JOB, and now they would take that $7.00 per hour horse sh** cleaning job that they never wanted... So its REALLY easy to point the finger at innocent people. Those mexicans are innocent people.

    I do NOT think that illegal immigration is ok, but I think people are hypocritical when they are complaining about it now. 5 years ago, all the landscaping companies in Bmore and DC were complaining about all the Sweet labors they got for $10.00 an hour under the table... Now jobs are gone, people are scared and they want to fnid a scape goat, and its the mexicans....

    So, like I said, my italian and german grandparents all had to immigrate LEGALLY through Canada and elsewhere, then down through new york in into the midatlantic after they LEGALLY were accepted after about a decade of work. THERE SHOULD BE NO FREE PASS TO COME INTO OUR NATION. EVER. PERIOD...

    But im saying there is no need to be racist about it, cause 99% of the people that aer here illegally ARE HERE TO FEED THEIR FAMILES...

    All my buys who are LEGAL and work for me ALL tell me how they have 6 kids and a wife in Tijuanna, and with their $9.00 per hour american pay, they feed their whole family and pay a mortgage with money to spare... So YES, THIS IS WHY THEY ARE HERE...

    minimum wage at 20 hours per week can feed a family of 10 back in mexico. They send money once a week and visit TJ on their days off.. And they are truely great people. Dedicated to providing for their families and being honorable....

    The reason AZ and CA are all pissed off is ONLY because of DRUG trade and border violence. WE DONT care about the jobs. We have plenty of work to give them. WE DONT WANT YOUR CRIMINALS....

    And I have said this before on this site, but the #1 drug that comes over the borders in the US is Marijuana. ANd guess what, ITS LEGAL IN CA... We DONT BUY MEXICAN WEED. We dont SELL MEXICAN WEED... They just bring it onto our soil, pack it into smaller trucks and distribute all the week into the other 49 states where marijuana usage is treated like murder... So THAT is where the violence cmoes from... The blood spills on San Diegos border, and the Weed ends up in Baltimore. It was worth $50 per LB in CA, and by the time it gets to Bmore, you guys mark it up to $1000 and you wonder why everyone is murdering each other... I mean yes, it all starts in Mexico, but it all ENDS HERE IN THE GREAT US. Probably in YOUR neighborhood.

    So stop blaming the mexicans and call your congressman. Do something positive. But supply and demand. If $20 worth of weed wasnt worth $2000 in the state of MD, there would be ZERO need to transport it over our borders... But currently, drugs are worth more than gold and americans love their drugs...

    So blame your governement, not the mexicans...
     
  16. iwrider

    iwrider Active Member

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    Mar 15, 2007
    Should have dropped a Dr. M. on one of there heads. ****ing illegals!
     
  17. iwrider

    iwrider Active Member

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    Mar 15, 2007
    You people have to much time on your hands to be giving page long advice on what this guy should have done.
     
  18. iwrider

    iwrider Active Member

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    Mar 15, 2007
    LOSTsoul has the right idea.
     
  19. Mooseknuckle

    Mooseknuckle Well-Known Member

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    May 12, 2008
    My 3rd grade education does not allow me to red some of these lengthy posts. But if im not mistaken isint Zach619 the dude that was telling everyone last year about how he got some job in san diego and how he ws leaving the east coast anf bragging about it???? good ridents dude u got robbed cuz u left your poop on the porch. next time lock it up brah..

    right coast for life u stupid kook
     
  20. stoneybaloney

    stoneybaloney Well-Known Member

    May 11, 2009
    I haven't read 90% of these posts, but the bottom line is - lock your sh!t up man. I keep my boards in the house and my cruisers in the shed with a diesel hasp/padlock. Regardless of nationality, young boys will get into mischief. Just be smarter about your possessions. :)