FireWires... And other Epoxies

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Thewaternerd, Aug 9, 2014.

  1. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    I hate how these threads always devolve into custom shapes vs firewire. Nothing trendy in my decision to buy a firewire. After years of buying custom, some local some not, I got tired of spending $500 - $600 for a board that fell apart under my feet after a year of surfing. This might be fine for a guy that gets out once a month but for me who rarely misses a swell and surfs hours on end multiple sessions everytime there are waves, it made no sense. By chance a friend bought one first and let me try it. I loved the board but didn't buy one for years. Finally broke down and bought one and have been on them since. Not one pressure ding in any of them, they still ride like new. Every other board I have ever ridden would be trash after this amount of time. Now tell me how they are garbage?
     
  2. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    well, you're dead on about the average joe...anything with that weak ass UL glass is going to break down quick.

    The couch potato, on the other hand, is glassed heavy, so it'll last much longer than a standard poly...plus, it's one of the models offered in Hydroflex tech.
     

  3. ukelelesurf

    ukelelesurf Well-Known Member

    402
    Apr 25, 2007
    I have 12 boards in the garage...11 are traditional hand made and 1 is a firewire. I ride the Firewire by far the most. It just goes the best. I really think it is about time that companies like Lost, CI, etc get some real durable technology. They are dabbling but nothing that is proven, although the hydroflex is interesting. Having to buy a new board every year and a half is not sustainable for most folk's budget or the environment. I am happy to ride my firewire popout and would gladly buy another although I would gladly shell out another 50$ for the same board made in the US
     
  4. skulldog

    skulldog Active Member

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    Jan 28, 2011
    I have 3-boards made with Hydroflex and they are worth the extra money!
     
  5. sharknado

    sharknado Active Member

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    Jul 16, 2013
    New EPS board technologies. Here’s what I wanna know. There’s a lot of knowledge on the board. Lets hear it.
    First the manufactured production boards…mostly Asian due to labor costs. 3rd World exploitation, Global economy, f*** yeah.
    I've read the Firewire tech pages... they use not-too-dense 1 lb eps....which according to some swaylock experts is alot lighter than the 'recommended' 2lb eps . (don’t tell me about swaylocks- I don’t care) I guess that the FW sandwich construction with the NASA creepy deck s*** (soylent green?) and the parabolic rails probably works to strengthen up the weakass blank so it doesn;t crumble or snap (although they do apparently fart- order the whoopee cushion option). Seems like a nice balance of new technologies – durable with flex. Also, I appreciate some of the edgy designs being offered. Manufactured in Thailand. A lot of you folks like em, right?

    Also, I am correct to say there is a consensus that tuflite is too stiff with little flex and doesn;t feel right? Considering that Tuflite was the first generation sandwich eps superboard, its not surprising that there were problems with performance. But they are light and mostly indestructible. Anybody have experience with Tulfite II? Also, made in Thailand (?)

    Global Surf Industries (more Thailand boards)…..offers a bunch of eps processes. Everybody seems to luv the Hayden Shapes future flex boards, how do they feel. I’ve seen em in the repair bay so I know they break. Can anyone offer a comparison to firewire.
    Back Home.
    Then there are the hand shaped vacuum bagged processes that local guys are getting into. Supposed to be light and strong.. Any reports out there on the feel and durability. From what I’ve found a locally shaped and vacuum bag eps board will cost as much or more than a Firewire or Haydenshape. USA, USA, USA.

    Finally, regular eps/epoxy type boards, what I’ve seen these cost about $100 most than the same PU model. Still pricey. Are they anywhere near as durable as a sandwich construction board? Are they $100 better than a PU board? I held one of these recently and it was sooo light it seemed like I would crack it if I gave it a good squeeze.

    I’m sure I’ve butchered some of these descriptions and missed some of the technologies (Libtech – I read the site and have no idea what they are) …
    Any additional insights appreciated. Thanks in advance
     
  6. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    my latest new one (i have 4) was $670.00 + tax/fins (if needed).
     
  7. Thunderpossum

    Thunderpossum Well-Known Member

    46
    May 17, 2013
    My wife purchased an epoxy popout longboard for me for a wedding present. She knows nothing about surfboards or surfing, just knows that I like to do it, and needed a new lb at the time. Whether that's what I would have picked notwithstanding, it has turned out to be a really fun board. All my other sb's are poly, and my old lb was poly as well (someone relieved my truck of it while I was in target). Having ridden my epoxy lb for a few years now I will say that it does feel a little different/lighter, but when I am actually up trimming on a wave, I can't tell a difference. I do know my board is incredibly durable and has been the source of a bunch of fun sessions.
     
  8. all4blues

    all4blues Well-Known Member

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    Dec 14, 2013
    We make epoxies with a 45 degree layer of 6oz bi-axle cloth on top and bottom of a standard 4 x 4 4. You can put Corecell high density foam on the rails also. Add a layer of bamboo veneer on top and vacuum bag it and the board is 2-3x stronger than normal and 1/2 the weight. Firewires, Hayden's and all those boards are overrated and vastly overpriced in my opinion. Buy/support local from someone who knows what they are doing, b/c you cant top a hand shaped, fine crafted work of art made custom for you.
     
  9. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    i had a firewire at one point, the thing didnt ding at all, everytime i make a big drop or something on a pu board i get a huge pressure ding. some times i slam so hard on a board i get like a 5 in ding its crazy.
     
  10. 3rdperson

    3rdperson Well-Known Member

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    Mar 14, 2014
    AMEN! You wrote my response for me. That being said..

    I buy a shape, or something that I feel will work for me and be fun. If I feel like I can get it from my local guy, I will. But you can't just point out a board to your local guy and say "make me this". Well, you can, but it won't be exact without obtaining exact dims from the original shaper. If it's not exact, then it's not the same board.

    I own local stuff, firewires, lost..etc.. and honestly the quality of local stuff is BY FAR superior to the others, but it's not going to stop me from buying other stuff. Everything has pro's and con's.

    My advice... don't take anyones advice period. Try everything you can possibly get your hands on.. and figure out what puts the biggest smile on your face .... no matter what it ends up being.
     
  11. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    well, theres' a good reason
    dsup - straight up; you haven't tried one, have you?
     
  12. skulldog

    skulldog Active Member

    37
    Jan 28, 2011
    x2
     
  13. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Nope sure haven't, I wasn't knocking them just tossing out various reasons why some buy them, everybody has their reasons, some are good reasons, others are just trend followers, I bet they ride just fine if you get the right one for your ability and style. I'm a Coil guy and wouldn't consider any other type of HPSB if I were to get another, but that's just me, I fell I love with mine so I'm sold. Others fall I love with a FireWire or a Lost or CI. My point is buy it for the right reasons.
     
  14. pkovo

    pkovo Well-Known Member

    599
    Jun 7, 2010
    I ride coils largely for the same reasons salt notes that he rides firewires. They ride great and they are much more durable than traditional construction. I'm big and tend to cause delaminations in traditionally constructed polys. My coils are just as light as a thinly glassed poly, but they wear like iron and cost about the same. Only negative is the wait since they are custom.

    I also think Mike Daniel is a great shaper. At least he's nailed it for my first two boards. Third is on order so we'll see if that trend continues. I was going to go the custom route anyway because I dont fit the standard surfer dimensions, so finding something with ideal dimensions for me off the rack is very difficult.

    I wouldn't dismiss a firewire as a popout, or because its made abroad. I considered one seriously before stumbling upon coil. I was just trying to find something that I wouldnt be patching and injecting resin into delams a year after plunking down $600 plus. I imagine a Firewire would fit that bill, but I went the Coil route and have no regrets.

    I think all of the new tech is a win for surfing. It keeps things moving forward. I wouldnt be surprised if some of it is not embraced by those on the construction side of things because extra durability means lower overall surfboard demand.
     
  15. sheetglass

    sheetglass Well-Known Member

    186
    May 12, 2008
    I can recommend Jimmy Keith for epoxy boards. my last was a handshaped EPS/Epoxy of his. Way more durable than poly, and surfs great too. It has a good weight-I've not experienced any of the same chatter as you do some other epoxy boards.
     
  16. smitty517

    smitty517 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 30, 2008
    Ride whatever u want. Who friggin cares what other people think
     
  17. Thewaternerd

    Thewaternerd Well-Known Member

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    Feb 16, 2013
    Thanks for all advice! You guys are really helpful. I'm thinkin a demo then maybe go the craigslist way...
     
  18. Koki Barrels

    Koki Barrels Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2008
    I mainly ride PU because of the feel/flex.

    But a couple years ago I decided to pick up an epoxy board, it was a tuf-lite.
    The board was great when there was no wind....but with an offshore wind the thing would lift on me as I was dropping in and really pissed me off, I then moved onto a shaped epoxy a/ a stringer...it was just ok.

    Purchased a 5'6" FireWire Sweet Potato about 2 years ago and I have to say it is the best "epoxy" board I have ridden....would love to try out a coil, but I'm done buying boards for a while...

    Anybody calling a FireWire a pop-out and trendy is just too much of a cheap a$$ to buy one.

    My $.02