fish oil

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by ocsurf32, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    +1 on the slurry "bullets". Picked up the "Nutri-Bullet" this summer. I'm the same age as Hanna, and I've noticed improvement in energy plus joints feel better. With the "nutri" model you can throw in almonds, flax seeds (which as mentioned have omega 3), other seeds & nuts. Also, it's quick and easy... who has time to prepare a plate of fruit then eat it (especially if swell is beckoning)? Just blend it and slurp it down!

    As Hanna said, just throw whatever is available in and blend it up. Also, when some of your fruit is on the verge of over-ripening, freeze it, and throw it in later -- makes a nice frozen "slurpee-ish" drink. This is especially great for freckled bananas, as like most of you guys, I don't make banana bread. And do, as Hanna states, add fruits to sweeten - ripe bananas, pineapple, grapes & apples among others do well at that.
     
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  2. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Simple solution to all this: HGH
     

  3. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    or as groucho marx said, you're only as young as the girl you feel

    I am working OT to derail this thread and it keeps circling back to nutrition. you guys are on point
     
  4. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    Sorry about that man.. Some of us are of the age that predates the ADHD diagnosis. Back then if you didn't stay on point you got a Florsheim in the keister. ;)
     
  5. Paddington Jetty Bear

    Paddington Jetty Bear Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2013
    Wow, youse guys are some responsible, health-minded folks.

    My, my, my how the times have changed. Jeff Spicoli didn't eat kale.

    Well, cento de questi giorni or cento anni or cent'-anni......whatever the hells that phrase is.

    Live fast and die young. Eat pizza, smoke, drink, eat Cookie Crisp, pop pills, sniff things......for who wants to be 90 - sitting around thinking of all the things you used to be able to do but can't do now.........

    I started eating vegetables and exercising a year ago. I quit smoking(I still sneak some for masterabatory rituals) and I don't do any real drugs. I HAVE NEVER FELT WORSE. My eyes are F'ed up, I get chest pains, I'm tired, my ***** has shrunken by two centimeters, and life is so bland and dull.

    Oh yeah the waves just aren't as good as they used to be. Yeah, that Doomsday swell was semi-normal back in the olden days. Yeah, for real, Skippy.

    Something just hasn't been right in the ol' Atlantic lately. Probably has something to do with illegal immigration, and more recently Obamacare or maybe because Romneycare passed in 2006. OMG, MASSAHHCHOOSETTS is falling apart!!! It's destroying them.....poor people have helath care!! OH NO !!! Hey did you notice how I put AHHCHOO in MA? Like a sneeze.....talking aboot healthcare......Oh man, that was out of site. God, I am so clever. Thanks Jesus for making me so damn snarky

    Do things that feel good and damn the consequences. And then stop at 40. If you live wildly after 40 it really starts getting you. That's when you'll start to fall apart. Never stop eating pizza, though. People who sell this nutritional crap are snickers. You're either healthy or you ain't. It's all up to Jesus not kale.
     
  6. Paddington Jetty Bear

    Paddington Jetty Bear Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2013
    Oh MIS-13......what you got an erection or something............you wacked on stimulants........?

    Aww man, Hawaiin Ice got MIS-13 too. We'll be seeing him on Dog the Bounty Hunter soon enough.....crying as they take him to jail. With a stimulant horniness erection. Leelan will all be smiling at his bulge. Hey, Hawaiians are supposed to be so tough, but they all cry in Dog's truck
    over some petty municipal crimes. They all blubber over missing court for some DUI case and shoot. Sissies.

    MIS-13, you a makey much sex innuendo for a distingushed older gentleman. "You so horny"(said in a Vietnamese prostitute cadence)

    "You like sucky sucky"(also said as a Vietnamese prostitute)

    Japanese girls are awesome, huh? I've always had a thang for them. Their food sucky sucky though. Only fruits eat raw fish and sh!t. They got quality waves, too. They got real set-ups. Hoikkado or whatever gets all 5-milly cold and shoot, too. Nice. Plus they all smoke and counterbalance it with green tea. They smokey like the chimney in February.
     
  7. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    PJB, anytime I think all those dozens of Phish shows are starting to catch up to me, I can read one of your posts to put my dimensia in perspective.

    thank you, really.

    You should have your own infomercials, but what would you sell?
     
  8. Paddington Jetty Bear

    Paddington Jetty Bear Well-Known Member

    Apr 23, 2013
    Your welcome MIS-13....what no crackerjacks?

    Oh hey, I have to go corrupt the morals of uptown Hammonton, NJ, but I'll leave y'all with this: The cold and flu season is coming, right? Well, crack cures the common cold. Yeah, really, Skippy. And get a flu shot if you are geriatric or something. And no, you Jenny McCarthy Archy people, they're not poisioning you with vaccines and sh!t. Yeah, the government wants to S-L-O-W-L-Y kill you off. They can't you tards, they need all the people they can get for the Big War against the east. Please watch Jack Van Impe Ministries and you will find THE TRUTH aboot this world.

    And people always talk aboot finding a "Hangover Cure".........dude any opiate will cure any hangover. Even Tylenol 3's will cure you more sensitive novice alkies. But for you responsible drinkers who like to get jiggy with it a few times a month and aren't predisposed to addiction, just keep a bottle of Percocet(5 mg) in your drawers. One or two on a Sunday morning and you'll feel just dandy. Repeat in the evening and it will be cool man.

    Is it cool, man?
    Yeah, Kelly, it's cool...
    I mean, is it cool, man?
    Yeah, Kelly, it's cool, man.
    Well, ok then........
     
  9. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    The real hangover cure is two bags of saline IV, an oxygen tank, and a good meal. You put that trio in your body even sober and it will be the clearest high you've ever had. Most of the world spends their whole lives dehydrated. Our bodies are by far a majority of water. Do the math.

    Are vitamins and any other supplement a substitute for good nutrition? Heck no. They're supplements, not substitutes. Unless you overdose on the fat-soluble (A,D,E,K) vites, and you can at a certain level since the body can't flush them out like water-soluble, they're not gonna hurt and can only help. The FDA doesn't regulate supplements so when you hear anecdotal reports that "such and such is a waste of money" it's only one person's ignorant mouth spewing rubbish and they may have also got a way underdosed supp. Some companies out there are feeding off the "magic pill" craze whenever a skewed study hits the papers and says a certain supp is better than sliced bread. As for people who talk about vitamins as if they're a fuel source, slap them like they was an armless dummy because there are only 3 energy substrates (protein, fat, carb) and thinking another substance like a vitamin can serve as a fuel source is similar to expecting your car to go a single mile off pure engine carbon cleaner. Square peg in a round hole.

    There are a handful of vitamins, minerals, and other supps I take from time to time or almost all the time. If I run out or forget, no big deal. My focus is impeccable diet 6.5 days a week, and you always need that cheat meal to kickstart the metabolism if your intake was too low from eating clean the rest of the week. Study the crap out of diet for a year or two, get to the point where you can look at a plate and come within 50cals and 5g pro/fat/carb of correct estimate and you're stoked because you can basically plan out all meals and still enjoy what you're eating.

    I eat a lot, but there's not a lot of things I eat, if you can understand that. Red meat is next to never for me these days. Salt is never added because it's too abundant as it is, and it's always watched. I do fish 1-2x a day 3-4 days a week. If I'm happily on and off the toilet quickly then I know I'm eating right because when you treat your body well habitually it lets you know the instant you do not. Hence, why I drink next to no alcohol.

    Braddahs, please stay away from soy. It's in everything. Soy is a phytoestrogen (Plant estrogen) yet binds to estrogen receptors in the male body. We get all the E we need when it converts from T in our bodies via the aromatase enzyme and the older we get, the more feminized the male body becomes. Soy is pumped up like it's the effin fountain of youth simply because it's better and less carcinogenic on the female body than estradiol (natural E). But for us males, anything that acts as E in the body is no bueno. Our hormonal thermostat (negative feedback loop) is guided by E, not T, so the greater E our body senses the less of all hormones it will produce. In review, soy = less hard ons, more emo, more man tits.

    PB&J, sage brah, I'm not saying I won't drink a half bottle of scotch ever again, but I've had enough hangovers where you literally think you're gonna die to know I've rocked out more than the average jetty bear. Not you sage brah, you're the bestest, raddest, baddest jetty bear there ever was in Deal.
     
  10. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    A few more deets...

    Good vites/mins for the male to take (especially 28+ years old):
    Zinc (precursor to T) and magnesium
    Glucosamine, MSM and biotin (better joints, better hair)
    L-arginine (she will be happy with this one, trust me)
    Aspirin (1/day for circulation/heart if you're not allergic)
    Milk thistle (your liver has >500 functions)
    Daily multi with B-complex (gummy if possible, will satisfy candy craving)

    Dietary considerations:
    Get to know the glycemic index - moderate is best
    Grains should be whole, not white
    There's enough salt in food already
    If it's processed at all, pass
    High-fructose corn syrup is the devil
    Fats are very necessary, limit saturated ones
    Protein at every meal
    Fish 2-3x a week
    Cottage cheese is all-around healthy as hell
    Greek yogurt can be mixed with many things for a healthy "dessert"
    Fruits and veggies (cruciferous: broccoli, etc.) every day
    Eat more often in lesser amounts
    Drink water til you piss clear every 30-45 minutes
     
  11. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Not really. In the case of fish oil, which is the topic of this thread, the Omega-3 isn't absorbed into your body. This is proven in real controlled studies, not by the FDA. Just because the FDA doesn't regulate it, doesn't mean it hasn't been scientifically studied and tested.
    Fish oil supplements a waste a money, if you are looking for the benefits of the Omega-3.
     
  12. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Brah, it was a general statement across all supps that is quite true. The thread veered to lots of supps/diet, so let's remember how welcoming a thread titled "hello" can be :cool: on SI

    There's no governing body to regulate non-scheduled substances and non-foods, therefore any company can go undeterred in putting out a bunk supp that may not have much supp at all. The pseudo-quote I used represented average Joe Blow expecting a supp to rock his world and then bad-mouthing it when it did not. I'm all for primary research being done on supps. Link the citations to the studies you mention and I'll enjoy reading them, since so little primary data exists in this realm.

    I'll ask though, who funded those studies and was the methodology in any way geared to a certain result? Those familiar with the political economy of medicine and food/nutrition know well that any "study" can be skewed to a certain "conclusion" and have it stamped by a couple MD's and PhD's that walk away full-pocketed. Now, when its in AJM or NEJM, I'll take it more religiously. Not shotting down any support of your anti-fish oil claim, and actually stoked to see journal citations if you pull any up.
     
  13. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Here's one:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19465191/

    Reputable journal there and PubMed/LexisNexis searches will give you those. Always got to read the full text and not go by an abstract. Lets you double check the authors' accuracy and sometimes you see their true motives.

    I'm right there with you on the whole food fish consumption over throwing back handfuls of oily gel caps. I'm at 4-5lbs of fish a week. Right OTB. Love it.
     
  14. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    In the case of fish oil, there are several studies out there. Here is an article about a study done in Italy on limitations of fish oil in general: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/08/fish-oil-heart-attacks/2145431/

    Here is the one I posted earlier:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22968891
    The second one is not directly looking at supplements, but there were tested. It shows low absorption compared to consuming fish.
     
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  15. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    The study was certainly not general, since most of the subjects were high risk cases who were already taking medication.

    ""They're very high-risk people, and so the level of other treatments was very high," Arnett said. "When you're being aggressively treated for all of your other risk factors, adding fish oil yielded no additional benefits."
     
  16. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    It is relevant if you rely on fish oil as a way to save your heart. Besides, I posted the second study for a better overview of omega-3 and health benefits (or in the case of pills, the lack of benefits). I already said there are benefits in eating fish a couple times a week.
     
  17. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Absolutely not, since the study concentrated on those who were using heart medication, how can these people be said to be relying on fish oil to save their hearts?

    If they were doing so they wouldn't be taking heart medication.


    Is there such a thing as omega 3 in pill form?

    I thought that it usually came in capsules or in a bottle.
     
  18. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Gel tabs=fish oil supplements=pills. Dats how we do in Merca.
     
  19. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    You missed the main point in my post , which pointed out the fatal logical error in your argument.
     
  20. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    My argument is that supplements, specifically fish oil, does not work to provide omega-3 to your body. It is just passed through and not absorbed. You are better off eating fish.