fish oil

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by ocsurf32, Oct 22, 2013.

  1. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    My argument was that fish oil supplements do not provide omega-3 to your body as it is not absorbed. Thus, the supplements are not really doing much for your heart. I have never argued that omega-3 does nothing for you. I posted that link because spicoli wanted some links to studies. Eat fish, fock supplements. Now, maybe you should start from the beginning. This side argument you are attempting to rile up is unwanted and not in line with the original topic.
     
  2. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013

    I'm interested to know whether or not this is true, but having experienced immediate results from ingestion of fish oil (i.e within a few minutes) I very much doubt it.

    Please correct me if I am mistaken but the studies which you posted concentrated on subjects who were also taking heart and/or cancer medication. Is that correct? If so it seems likely that the conclusions would not apply to those who are not taking other medication.
     

  3. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Dosed fish oil???
     
  4. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Bait oil sometimes, smoked kahawai sometimes, cod liver oil in a bottle sometimes.
     
  5. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    But how do you feel it w/in minutes unless it's dosed?
     
  6. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Straight fish oil seems to have an immediate effect.
     
  7. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    I think you are assuming too much. With 60000 people in the study, it is highly unlikely they all were on medication. In fact, if you read the full study, it claims to have a portion of participants with no heart problems. Here is a reason a previous study was flawed:
    While some early studies did show a significant benefit from taking fish oil pills, data from newer clinical trials weakened that effect. That may be because at least one early, important study did not blind participants or researchers, meaning that everyone knew who was taking omega-3s or placebo.


    As for your immediate results, are you saying your heart feels different?
    Here is the best way to describe any immediate effects: http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/placebo-effect.htm
     
  8. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    I'm always glad to see that there are no crazy people on the Internet.
     
  9. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I'd like to read the full study.

    Looking at the abstract all 68,680 subjects are described as 'patients'. what kind of patients were they and what percentage were heart patients? do you have that information available?

    If the majority are heart patients then one can assume that they are taking heart medication and thus not 'relying' on omega 3 as you stated.

    That's an 'if' though. we need the figures, but we can definitely state that the study was not conducted on a random selection of individuals. If they are 'patients' as was stated, then they are all unhealthy individuals who are likely to be on some kind of drug.
     
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  10. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    No I'm not saying that.

    The effects which occur are not due to a 'placebo' effect.
     
  11. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Maybe why gnome has like 8 kids.
     
  12. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I'm rather too large for a gnome, in fact I'm a man... and am father to 12 people.
     
  13. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    I am sure you have confirmed this through a scientific process. Let's see the blood work results to show the stuff you are taking is actually being absorbed instantly.
     
  14. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1357266

    You could have found it on your own, as the JAMA number was right on my original link.

    "Trials were published as early as 1989, and half of the included trials had been conducted during the period where statins were routinely recommended for cardiovascular risk modification (1998 or later)."

    Not all studies were during a time when medicine was being regularly diagnosed for cardiovascular issues.
     
  15. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    In other words we don't know what percentage of the patients were also using heart medication.
     
  16. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    You are insinuating that all cardiovascular "treatment" is based on medication. Stage 1/level 1 cardiovascular issues are often treated by a change in diet, exercise recommendations, physical therapy, and occasionally mild levels of medication. I have friends that are there right now.
     
  17. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Perhaps assuming but, hardly 'insinuating' which implies devious and unpleasant motives and method. I'm just interested in what's going on.

    There are no numbers given for the percentage of patients in the study who are on medication. but various drugs are mentioned frequently throughout the literature.

    So we don't know, and as far as I'm concerned that means suspending judgement.
     
  18. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    But we do know that consuming fish is more helpful for your health, which was in the other link I posted on the last page. So, why waste money on supplements when you can just eat something healthy. Besides, fish oil supplements are known to spoil, and most consumers don't even realize it.
     
  19. mushdoc

    mushdoc Well-Known Member

    323
    Jan 30, 2013
    Getting advice regarding your health on a surf forum is roughly equal to getting surf tips on the new Obamacare website.

    Except...you can actually use this site. OK, maybe that's why people are using this forum.

    Can I get a quote here?