Fixing my snapped Haydenshapes...

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by live4truth, Feb 6, 2016.

  1. live4truth

    live4truth Well-Known Member

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    Feb 9, 2007
    Well...what can I say...OH day with plus sets in Seaside, NJ a number of weeks ago. Dredging tide and I got caught by a lip after dropping into a bomb...came up and saw only the tail of my board floating near me. Board was a custom I got two years ago so I believe I got my $$$ worth from this Hayden. Especially as I put my knee through it on two other occasions...as well as a few other dings. Greta board...as well First time I've ever snapped one of these boards...whether a custom or GSI...and I've had about 8 of them over the last 5-6 years. With that said...

    Usually I toss stringers boards like this as there is little hope in repairing it without causing an excessive amount of weight and or it snapping in Front of the fix due to the location. But I want to give a rebuild a whirl in light of The materials and build of this board...we'll see if my attempt is really worth it...

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    First I cleaned it up a bit...removed wax, cleaned up the fractured glass, sanded the bottom with a 60 grit on both sides. Then I drilled a frame in the board to get the rocker/rail line as close as possible. A bit more sanding and some cleaning up of the gap and readying to fill it.

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    Filled the gap with a single pour RR resin/slow hardener and a ton of q-cell on both sides of the board in an uninsulated shed. Removed the frame after the bottom pour hardened and then filled the deck. After sanding saw a odd color on one side of the bottom pour and noticed it must have been too much resin and too hot--shouldn't have rushed it. I cut out the glass and cleaned it up the void and will do another slower pour...more to come...

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  2. bubs

    bubs Well-Known Member

    Sep 12, 2010
    Ok. Keep at her.
     

  3. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Dump it, sell it, or give it away.
    And don't buy a "haydenshape" ever again.
    It is a kooks board anyway.
     
  4. live4truth

    live4truth Well-Known Member

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    Feb 9, 2007
    Sorry Barry...have to disagree with you on the "kook" board perspective. but thanks for the opinion...you ever give one of these a whirl before...serious question.

    Also...I'm a fan of trying to fix everything...you always end up sacrificing something whether that be flex, weight, etc. I believe everything is fixable...so why not try to fix it up...especially when I have other boards I can ride.
     
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  5. live4truth

    live4truth Well-Known Member

    866
    Feb 9, 2007
    So back on to the fix...

    Rather than fill the new gap with another of additional q-cell/resin pours...I noticed I had a bit of left over 3lbs. EPS that I added to the mix. We'll see if that was a mistake or not I. The future but at least it reduces the weight a bit. Additionally, Knowing I have to give the board a bit of structure a friend had a roll of uni-directional Carbon. I laid a few pieces of carbon down on the rails, deck and bottom. Should give it a bit more strength but I'll be adding some quad-axial glass and 4 oz. s-glass which should really do the trick.

    At this point I sprayed the carbon with a bit of spray adhesive and will likely lam the quad axial and 4 oz. at the same time.

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  6. salt

    salt Well-Known Member

    Mar 9, 2010
    sell it on the list of Craigory
     
  7. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Guest

    Fixing things is great, commendable. But boards that have snapped in half, will never have the strength it had before snapping in two. Selling it may be problematic as well, but if you do, I hope you do well with it, as well as the buyer.
    And, yes, I have ridden a hayden...not a fan, but to each his/her own, I suppose.
     
  8. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Curious so see how this works out
     
  9. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    wait..... hold on..... just, hold on a second.

    you just dumped a bunch of resin into the break and that's the only thing holding the board together? is that what you are saying? on a stringerless board? we need to know this....

    then, you spray adhesive some carbon strips to the deck and rails? spray adhesive? really?
    then (oh god) .....then you glassed over that? is.....um ......is that right joseph mengle?

    please keep posting. because this may be the mostest best si thread evahhhh
     
  10. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Was wondering the same thing
     
  11. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
  12. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    Worked on Dumb and Dumber, bird was perfect! Bwahahahahaha

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  13. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
  14. headhigh

    headhigh Well-Known Member

    Jul 17, 2009
    Had the same thought. I was searching all over for where OP put the wood/plastic/metal into the board for lateral rigididy....

    I have a long board that I snapped in two and fixed. It's a lot heavier than before, but it'll take a beating and keep on ticking.
     
  15. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Do you guys read, or just look at the pictures? :cool:

    When he said:

    That's highly technical speak for not just pouring resin into the break, actually reglassing it.
     
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  16. BradPitted

    BradPitted Well-Known Member

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  17. White Sea Ape

    White Sea Ape Well-Known Member

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    Dec 8, 2013
    should work for a bit, but will prob break again in same spot sorry.
     
  18. live4truth

    live4truth Well-Known Member

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    Feb 9, 2007
    Thanks for clearing things up Mitchell...I used spray aversive to put the carbon in place before I squeegee it with resin. The unidirectional carbon I have is pretty stiff and doesn't like to confirm to a curve even when glassing. Over the carbon I laminated the fiberglass...

    Glassed down the carbon and had a few issues around pressure dents and basic fraying--it got everywhere and I really couldn't prevent it outside of vacuum bagging it...probably the better way in the future. Not pretty but functional. Over the carbon, I dropped the quadaxial glass on the deck and laid a bit on the bottom past the crease. I then covered it all with single 4oz. S glass top and bottom. It gained a lot more weight Than I expected due to the quad axial glass--probably weigh it afterward to get a sense of just how much compared to my other similar sized Haydens. This stuff has to be similar to 6oz in how dense it feels...and it just soaked up resin. Texture is more like a woven fabric than a typical fiberglass (Nt., pic below of the quadaxial next to a 4oz piece of s-glass). Smh for using so much of it but I'm guessing the deck is going to bomb proof and if it does snap again it'll be just ahead of the quad axial on the bottom. In the future if I ever had the opportunity to grab some of this type of glass I'd go with a 2 oz or a really light weight. Sanding and hotcoat up next.

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  19. Zeroevol

    Zeroevol Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2009
    You've definitely put some work into this! Keep us posted on how she holds up
     
  20. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    At this point, here is where I would lightly sand, then do a fill coat, then sand/fair again... then final hotcoat and sand. You're probably going to find it difficult to fair the ridges the carbon made under the glass without sanding through the glass without a filler coat. Unless, that is... you did a fill coat over the carbon before you glassed, and faired that.

    As far as the fraying goes... you can try taping off the edges of the carbon, and razoring it during the B stage, like a cut lap. But carbon always frays unless you barely touch it. The more you work it, the more it frays.