Florida... Orlando, specifically

No the Gov let and is still letting them in unvetted.

 

I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not a total idiot with the armless man comment.

Did you read the whole bill that was blocked? I mentioned in my above post that I believe the process of checking this list as part of the back ground check should be a part of the process but I also don't believe that will cure the mass hatred that extremist have and certainly will not keep them from harming folks in this country.

The angry white guys is another story (mental back ground checks for starters and I would agree with this as well). But that will not keep mentally disturbed people from harming folks if that is their intention. This conversation has absolutely nothing to do with Islam and how it has become radicalized. Start a new thread for this topic...or discuss as an overall gun issue but don't muddy the water regarding the extremist and their mission with it.

Don't recall commenting on Ali's life. He was a great boxer and was witty with his words. Not sure what was in his heart regarding his religion.

The last paragraph could be constructive if you did not end it with such a ridiculous comment. You should really look in to the 2nd amendment and what could be lost inch by inch with reckless legislation before you get ahead of yourself. Whether it's white extremist or muslim extremist, If just one person is armed with a conceal carry during an episode, the percentage increase on saving lives goes up....don't you think that is a good thing considering you think this will happen again and again?

 

The problem that I see is that there are too many answers and no solutions.
"United we stand" just doesn't cut it these days.

 

Lot of strands in the old Duder's head.

 

Too funny. You are right Barry called Ali a good person yet at the same time doesn't even recognize him as a real citizen. Gotta love when dopes contradict themselves as expected.

 

All the mass shootings you mentioned, all the gunmen were on SSRIs prescribed by their doctors.
Bottom line guns are here. Even if they are banned they aren't going anywhere. Even if you shut down all gun manufacturers, bc anyone with a 3D printer can make one. So how do you defend yourself and loved ones from guns? I don't think a call to 911 is the answer.

 

Conceal carry as a solution is a problem for a few reasons

It's all based on hypotheticals & what ifs

It would essentially turn ordinary citizens into vigilantly wannabe Batmans, but lawyers sure would love it

It's reactive instead of proactive to the actual issue (that no one can define or agree on, or come to a consensus as to how to handle)

With all that said I have no solutions...I don't think we did for the Japanese a while ago either though....

 

Try to follow along ok? Barry equates Muslims as bad and not worthy of being known as citizens. That was my point and found it funny that he referred to Ali as a good person without remembering his own talking points that anyone following Islam is bad.

 

It may not be the solution (which I agree with you on) but, if there are crazy people out there that want to kill ordinary citizens in the name of ________, then I would like to have an opportunity to defend my self and others...just in case. In the meantime, nothing will be done b/c of the aforementioned limp politicians in Washington (on both sides). So, be an unarmed citizen if you would like.

 

I read a few different accounts because I couldn't understand how a guy walks into a florida nightclub with an AR with out it being seen. All accounts say he didn't. The doorman was an off duty cop and had a gun battle with the guy before he got into the club. So for people saying If a single person was carrying there would not be as many deaths is wrong. One person had a gun. An armed and trained person. they had a gun battle before he entered the club. Still he entered and murdered all those people. Nobody carrying would have the firepower superiority to stop a trained gunman with a machine gun who was ready to die. It took a tank and a swat team to stop him.

I don't have any answers but it seems logical that if the guy couldn't get his hands on a machine gun we may not have had such a tragedy. I'm a gun owner but Geez! Let's not make it easy for nuts to get an AR and enter my kids school please. And i don't want my kids going to school under armed guards either. That can't be the answer.

 

F*ck!

 

Normally, a wow moment but today is a lousy day when we see Orlando's agony. I appreciate you mentioning that, given our contentious track record.

Some interesting thoughts being posted in this tread.

I go back to the simple fact that the muslim ideology is flawed because it actively calls for the extirpation of any other religion / ideology. The muslims act upon this ideology. Facing this historical record of activity based upon their ideology, why would anyone who is charged with the security of the tribe allow more of them in to the campsite...?

Makes no sense at all.

As if we need more proof: Europe & Britain. It's been two generations of basically open-door immigrants from north Africa (muslims). There is no way that Europe is better off, and in fact Europe is rapidly sliding in terms of cultural antagonism & more mayhem from their own next-gen muslims.

As for the muslims already in the USA, I have no ideas. Big mistake to keep immigration of people who have hate & destruction of the welcoming hosts in their mantra. Talk about a human virus...man, there it is staring back at you.

What a mess.

 

If he didn't have a gun he would have used a bomb, which he had.

 

Fair point for sure PJ. I read the same account from the FBI and local Police Chief. Tough to know the "odds" when the stuff goes down. I guess my point is we as citizens can't sit back and let this occur with our heads in the sand. I believe the officer was hired and likely was "cased" before the idiot entered. The element of surprise could matter though. Granted someone pulling out a 9mm in the crowd and going up against an AK is tough but maybe it could save one life or alter the situation enough to save 10...who knows.

 

That's just bullsh!t. he had a unconfirmed device. the SWAt team threw one of those bang grenades at him
why didn't he use it? he was there for hours. No chance of escape. Didn't plan on it anyway.

So if he didn't have a gun he would just make an explosive so we might as well let him get a machine gun? That's your logic?
Really dude? You're smarter than that.

 

The mind of Barry:

'He truly was amazing as a boxer, and as a human' Said about Ali the Muslim

Yet.......

'They are NOT American citizens'

'They own you'

'Only the weak will capitulate and not throw them out of the country'

 

Will be interesting to read how much fight that door cop put up. In other words, just because he's armed & ostensibly supplying protection doesn't mean he was any good at it.

 

The guy pledged to hezbolah and ISIS who are sworn enemies. He wasn't affiliated with anyone and in reality was just a crazy dude who happened to be Muslim. He used being muslim as a motivation/justification, but the underlying reasons were the real cause of the shooting.

 

Here is the video I shot yesterday. It starts 20 minutes after I found out about the shooting to my friend and I driving into the city and heading to Orange ave (where PULSE is located).

[video=youtube;ci1lz8ZYaTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci1lz8ZYaTs&feature=youtu.be[/video]

 

Or the bad guy doesn't get the AR in the first place because we have some sort of regulation on it and this maybe doesn't happen. He got it legal. A week before. it wasn't even a little hard.

And you now, most people on here that think everyone should carry would be scared sh!tless of 300 f@gs carrying firearms. That's the Gay Liberation Army.