The modern age of farming is hilarity at its finest. The fact that farmers/consumers are too ignorant and/or stubborn to change their methods so they dont have to rely on chemical companies for larger yields is way beyond my knowledge base. See: Geoff Lawton & Permaculture also: [video=vimeo;110395636]http://vimeo.com/110395636[/video] Mother nature always wins and this will all be over soon, no worries.
This is a good thread. As a brief aside, speaking of alternative farming methods... [video=youtube;Xxnmh4IDYaU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxnmh4IDYaU[/video] Also, **** big cattle.
What strange responses. So widespread glyphosate (and whatever replaces/supplements glyphosate) use is probably ok, so lets just go with it? That's your point, right? The second three links look to include one of heirloom seeds, I'm not sure what the point of that is, and two about research crops, so I guess I was right that there are not GMO drought resistant crops on the market? And your last point, I don't believe in the free market religion or misanthropy, so I guess we have to agree to disagree there.
There is no committee stating these things are unneeded or unhealthy in general. There are unorganized groups of activists and social media people, all of which lack the lab time to make any real calls. I have stated how I feel about GMO crops many times before. The people who are studying it continue to find no negative health effects. I have also stated that I don't like large corporate farming, mainly from the standpoint of animal cruelty. However, it is a necessary evil with our country and planet's growing population. Since I have the money, I tend to buy local meat from free range farms. However, not everyone can afford this. I am not going to guilt a family of 6 that has a household income of $50k annually, just because they buy cheap corporate beef. I guess what I am saying is, let the documentary direct you towards researching what you eat more, but don't let it emotionally steer you towards the world of woo and pseudoscience.
My point is that we have studied it and found it to be safe, within our research abilities. There is no way to be 100%, and that includes organic substances. Science isn't about being 100% all the time. Like I said, if you want a 100% guarantee, stop eating everything. You didn't read all the articles. There are GMO drought resistant crops. However, genetic altering isn't advancing as well as natural modification. The fact remains, resistance doesn't guarantee they will grow in severe drought, which is what the midwest has been experiencing in the last few years.
In no particular order... Often it ain't that folks eat bad food, they eat TOO MUCH food. I pay extra for food with less fat, fresh / organic food, but my food bill is the same as "normal" people because I eat 1/2 as much. EVERYONE is out to make a buck, except me. lol If you dig deep enough, I'd bet that these documentary makers are doing the same. No city folk wanna see where that steak came from. Country folk, hunters, Ted Nugent types, KNOW where it comes from. I ain't one of 'em, but don't live in a closet either. Funny how some folks will get on a soap box 'bout eatin right, then get totally wasted on whatever chemicals that night. It's like, "Dude, I gotta save my body for (whatever drug)." I defer to brewengineer as the more rational and scientific based dude on this board. Don't think we should go into this based on our feelings. That's too easy, and it's based on nothing. Watch what you eat, and how much you eat. Pay a little more for better food, and don't eat so dang much. I'm 56 and am told I look decades younger. Don't take that the wrong way. I aint in a beauty contest. Just sayin that it worked out ok for me. Oh... one more thing... I'm whisperin now 'cuz they'd likely throw me outa Texas if word got out... I almost never eat beef. It just takes too long to digest. Love me a steak, but only every couple of months. Mostly eat fish and chicken. just my $.02 good thread
It's weird that you want to personalize everything, like "If YOU believe that then YOU have to kill yourself" or whatever. All I said was that glyphosate has changed the actual physical landscape where I grew up. If it's harmless, then I think that landscape is changed for the better. I love the look of a no-till field. It's probably not harmless though, right? I mean, I wouldn't guess it's going to kill me, but maybe something else, right? It's kind of a moot point, anyway, since those fields already exist, so I guess we are going to find out one way or another. Are those articles not about crops in trials? I apologize if that isn't the case. Either way, I don't think it contradicts my point, that the development of GMO's is driven by profit, not human needs, so we get the ones that easily make the most money. And about you religion, think about this: "You want a real resolution? Stop breeding. If the planet wasn't full of over 7 billion hungry mouths to feed, the demand for modified crops wouldn't be as high." Is there really not enough food in the world? I could be wrong, but it seems to me that there is, and the market is just not really good at distributing it. So face with this challenge, your quote above makes me think that you believe we should, instead of thinking of some other way to distribute what we have, appease the market-god by sacrificing real (or potential) human beings. Strange stuff.
^This If you for ONE moment think your Vote carries weight or matters at ALL anymore? You're Lost. This country, this World, is Firmly in the hands of people who are Long term financial thinkers. You think the Banks and Really wealthy, that have our entire government bought and paid for and the UN which they hide behind, are going to leave to chance Their continuing economic prosperity in OUR hands? You're a Fool. I live by 3 simple words whenever it comes to any kind of Injustice in this country- Follow The Money. It's easy. You'll find bills and laws slipped into place amidst distractions...they've been doing it since before Anyone here was born. Follow The Money. Quick example- This was hidden in a debt spending Bill. It doesn't matter who sits in the Chair. Their strings are all being pulled by the Same People. http://www.ibtimes.com/monsanto-pro...ng-things-know-about-hr-933-provision-1156079 Follow the Money All We want to do? Is live in Peace.
That's the thing with you guys, anyone who doesn't share the same opinion as you is "in the fog". You people act like you're so much more intelligent because you are in the know. You're so worried about them vs. us that it clouds your judgement. I'm sorry, Doug, but I'll take the scientist who has been doing his research over some dude on a surfing forum. I'm not gonna tell you dudes what to eat, and I wouldn't look at you any differently for choosing to eat organic, to each their own. The thing that irks me is that people are easily misguided and steered in the opposite direction of science. It's the most well established and accurate method we have in figuring things out. So when studies are continually done that show no difference between the two sides , we must go with the science. And if you think there is enough food supply on this tiny, fragile little planet for roughly 7 billion people and climbing without the use of genetically modifying products and large farming, you're terribly mistaken.
“If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it.”- Mark Twain How f$#@ing frightening is it to think it goes That far back?
Stop worrying so much people. Our bodies were made to adapt to changes that are inevitable. Eventually, thousands of years from now our bodies will be more robotic than natural. Worrying will kill you faster than any food that is processed….eat meat!
Right dude!? And the masses are still squabbling over which side is more benign. I don't have the answers, but I am of the mindset that to overcome this mess we need to build something better from the ground up....whatever that means. Community.
omg, no more food? omg, buy twinkies now. hoard everything. the world is gonna end. omg in the future collapse this will ensure i have a harem of 30 something, land rover driving soccer moms. i will rule the inevitable michelle obama inspired food deserts with arrogant indifference to the starvation of millions. "hurdle the dead and trample" the weak will be my mantra as cross-fit my way around the landscape, delighting in my extra layers of fat. i will eat you
If you need more reasons to go through with it watch this documentary http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/earthlings/ . This one film alone has changed many meat eaters into vegans overnight.
Brew, first off GMO farming is not necessary to feed the growing human population. More than 50% of the worlds grains grown go to feeding livestock. Secondly GMO crops do not produce greater yields as heralded by the pro GMOers. Thirdly the method of mono crop farming and use of pesticides destroy soil and will leave it unfarmable in the future. Lastly there have been no studies that glyphosate in general is harmful to humans but that is not the whole truth. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-monsantos-roundup-pesticide-glyphosate-safe/
