Oh yeah Brew, as far as your rhetorical goes IDGAF. You will always counter much of what I say so u can do this with your opinion:
I am not personalizing, I was making a point. There is no such thing as guaranteed 100% safe. What are we sacrificing? There have been 0 deaths that can be directly traced back to the use of GMOs. That is after using them for decades. None. You are letting your personal emotions and beliefs cloud the facts. Corporate farming fills a need, and that need is cheap readily accessible food. And no, there is not enough cheap readily accessible food in the world. There may be in the USA, but we are a poor example (being a country of excess), but the story changes in other places. You are talking about distributing, but who will distribute? Who will pay for distribution? If we eliminate all GMOs and corporate farms, there won't be excess to distribute. Who will start farming to make up for this? I like animals. I like humane farming. I just accept the reality that in a country of supply and demand, I am on a short list of consumers willing to pay more for food.
There are people trying this, and many are succeeding. Small family owned local farms, growing crops and tending livestock. Some of them use GMO, some do not. The animals are in a much nicer environment and generally receive better care. That is why I love shopping at the farmers market. However, the products from this type of farming cost more, so it isn't popular with everyone. It takes more land, more labor, and more hours to product the same foods. Maybe this will change in the future, but for now I think large scale corporate farming is here to stay.
Then block my comments. The fact remains, you live your life according to woo and pseudoscience. Even the link you posted above uses poor examples to try and prove a point. I will make you a deal, don't reply to me and I won't reply to you. Your statements are not backed by fact. Yes, we do need GMO to feed the growing world. The world is not going to follow you down your religious vegan path, nor should they. We need animals to feed people, just as much as we need plants. Animals have to eat, so we have to grow food for them. Just accept that and move on. I never said I loved all GMOs and that I was 100% for them. I have my own concerns, but not for many of the reasons mentioned in this thread. You still don't understand the point of GMO... "In the absence of pests, commercially available GE seeds do not increase maximum crop yields. However, by protecting a plant from certain pests, GE crops can prevent yield losses to pests, allowing the plant to approach its yield potential. Bt crops are particularly effective at mitigating yield losses." http://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves...-steadily-for-over-15-years.aspx#.VGoiLW_zgkQ And here is an even more important point: "Studies based on field tests and farm surveys have examined the extent to which GE crop adoption affects pesticide (insecticide and herbicide) use, and most results show a reduction in pesticide use. A 2010 National Research Council study concurred that GE crops lead to reduced pesticide use and /or to use of pesticides with lower toxicity compared to those used on conventional crops." Here is some more real unbiased info with pros and cons: http://12.000.scripts.mit.edu/mission2014/genetically-modified-crops Until you are ready to abandon woo, and discuss real data and peer reviewed research, you are better off placing me on your ignore list.
brew, always ready to suck technology dong when skepticism is the best path keep it up you true believer you! Im sure with enough faith GMO's will turn out just fine science means questions, not blind adherence to technology
It is easier to make snarky comments than to present real counter data. I already said there are pros and cons, and that I am not 100% for GMO or corporate farming. Let me know how anarchy turns out for you.
Listen, I've heard the talking points you use before, and I am always skeptical of people who insist that we shouldn't use "emotion" when making decisions, and maybe it isn't the best thing in the world that we have have created an agricultural method that allows basically unchecked use of a particular herbicide, and maybe I think it's kind of scary that now that that herbicide isn't working so great, Dow will sell you a different one that will. Maybe you think that's cool, whatever.
We need GMOs is not a fact but a choice. Too many people in this country alone especially the more fortunate want big houses fancy cars manicured lawns with a swming pool and would rather work to make $$$ to buy that stuff instead of having a smaller house and big garden. In my area there is a large affluent population and virtually none of them have gardens on their 5 acre lots. Much of which used to be farmland. Your right that the human population isn't going vegan but if you do the math concerning the needs and effects of raising livestock well its doom to the humans.
Where do I come across as hating rich people. Just stating a fact that most of them could give 2 shyts about getting back to nature a use their wealth in an environmentally constructive way.
It isn't unchecked. This stuff is constantly studied. Did you expect the same herbicides and pesticides to work forever? http://ucanr.edu/blogs/blogcore/postdetail.cfm?postnum=9383 It's all about natural selection, baby.
Archy, it seems like you are unwilling to have open discussion... ...which is ironic. Meat eaters and people who eat GMO and those who can afford things are not evil nor are they out to destroy mankind. In fact many people who own a lot would do without 90 percent of it if they hadn't worked thier while life's to be able to afford these things for people they love. My father worked his whole life out of a life of poverty in order to be able to afford a nice house and a swimming pool for me and my sister when we were kids. He went in once. You could count on one hand how many things he bought himself a year. Back to the point on food which you are straying from because you seem to just be overflowing with cultral agenda not related to the topic. We are not a farming society anymore. Deal with it. Remember if you smoke pot you do not have to like Bob Marley too.
For better or for worse, in this instance Round-up is replacing cultivation, which, yeah, I think should work more or less forever
All things in moderation obviously I don't want to eat cows with 4 heads and 8 legs that glow. Nor do I want to eat organic lettuce with organic vegan seeds for lunch which costs 35 dollars and dont fill me up right. I enjoy talking to realistic health food advocates who are mindful of their audience....scornful and insulting crusaders can f off. Not directed at you archy. Hopefully this can help.
For sure people struggle for a better life but in the process many loose sight of an important key to life. FOOD The fact that we are not a farming society proves my point. Most people especially today's youth think food comes from a supermarket or worse a 7-11. We have left our roots and in the process handed over one of the most important keys to survival. Of course a starving family's last thought is about getting back to nature but the fact that they are faced with poverty on the first place is a whole other topic. As far as the affluent not caring I said most not all. I don't see anyone in my area of affluent communities supporting the less fortunate with educational workshops on healthy lifestyle and urban agriculture. None
