for seldom seen and haydukelives...

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by cleavland steamer, Jan 20, 2016.

  1. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Do it surfdogg. I'd humbly suggest you start with Desert Solitaire, but that's just me.
     
  2. Barry bottomfeeder

    Barry bottomfeeder Well-Known Member

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    Oct 19, 2015
    I was thinking the same thing. I missed 420 though. Ill have to hit 540
     
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  3. cleavland steamer

    cleavland steamer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 8, 2016
    So I lived alone.
    The first thing I did was take off my pants. Naturally.
     
  4. Barry bottomfeeder

    Barry bottomfeeder Well-Known Member

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    Oct 19, 2015
    Whats your top pick cleveland? Hayduke?
     
  5. cleavland steamer

    cleavland steamer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 8, 2016
  6. Barry bottomfeeder

    Barry bottomfeeder Well-Known Member

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  7. cleavland steamer

    cleavland steamer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 8, 2016
    Top pick for Abbey Book is definitely The Monkey Wrench Gang
    From wiki:
    The book's four main characters are ecologically-minded misfits — "Seldom Seen" Smith, a Jack Mormon river guide; Doc Sarvis, an odd but wealthy and wise surgeon; Bonnie Abbzug, his young sexualized female assistant; and a rather eccentric Green Beret Vietnam veteran, George Hayduke. Together, although not always working as a tightly-knit team, they form the titular group dedicated to the destruction of what they see as the system that pollutes and destroys their environment, the American West. As their attacks on deserted bulldozers and trains continue, the law closes in.
    For the Gang, the enemy is those who would develop the American Southwest — despoiling the land, befouling the air, and destroying nature and the sacred purity of Abbey's desert world. Their greatest hatred is focused on the Glen Canyon Dam, a monolithic edifice of concrete that dams a beautiful, wild river, and which the monkeywrenchers seek to destroy.
     
  8. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Dear God, please give us a pre-cision earthquake right on this here damn.
     
  9. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
  10. Barry Cuda

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    Sounds like subversive thinking to me. Sedition!!
    Typical tree-hugger stuff. I like trees as well--My house is made with them.
    So are the stringers in my boards, dude.
     
  11. cleavland steamer

    cleavland steamer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 8, 2016
    Ya, the Monkey Wrench Gang definitely inspired the early tree hugger movement in the late 70s and 80s. ACtually, it inspired the eco-sabotage movement.
    unfortunately they would not be as accepted by todays super-liberal tree huggers- too extreme and reckless.

    "Doomed to die, the machines are at the mercy of the knights who continue their deed by draining oil, letting the machine "bleed its lifeblood... with pulsing throbs onto the dust and sand"

    today's hippies would freak the F out if they let gallons of oil spew all over the ground
     
  12. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    ^^^This. Wouldn't have been Earth First! without Ed imho. But steamer's right, the first incarnation of the group was way too hard for the modern day movement. EF got ghey and concerned with social justice issues.

    Steamer, there's a great read called Green Rage that addresses the change. Written by Christopher Manes I believe.

    Didn't listen to this yet, but the linked popped up on FB...

    https://soundcloud.com/otisgibbs/episode-126-edward-abbey-stories
     
  13. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    [video]https://archive.org/details/InterviewWithEdwardAbbey_1982[/video]
     
  14. cleavland steamer

    cleavland steamer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 8, 2016
    Seldom, thank you for that link. Very cool, listening to it right now. I have heard of Green Rage- referred to it during an uberliberal grad school semester in the people's republic of cambridge, ma

    nowadays, if you commit an act of eco-sabotage, you will be prosecuted the same way as islamic terrorists. not cool
     
  15. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Anytime man. Was a good listen. There's some stuff on Youtube of Ed reading his essays...listening to In defense of the redneck right now. Did the redneck get your coyote?

    And yes, that is a sad truth. Can't even defend the one thing we'll need when it all collapses. And they just ruined the last trail in the woods I could get to without driving.
     
  16. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Whoa...I will take a closer look at that this afternoon. Since you raised the issue Steamer, figured this was apropos...

    [video=youtube;u5ZswDZinSQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5ZswDZinSQ[/video]
     
  17. cleavland steamer

    cleavland steamer Well-Known Member

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    Jan 8, 2016
    Nice, i like that one a lot. Have you spent time in moab? i went to undergrad out west and spent some time in moab- arches n.p. is one of the most amazing places in this country. if you (all swellies) have never been, make it a bucket list item before you die.
     
  18. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    I have...didn't spend as much time as I'd like, but will definitely be back there one day. Only drove through Moab, but spent a day at Arches then one at Canyonlands. Was privileged enough to eat a moderate dose of psilocybin whilst in Arches, so I feel like I got more bang for my buck lol. As a whole, the place was otherworldly, amazingly beautiful. And the night sky in Utah was probly the best I've ever seen. Also, saw a watermelon stand next to a gas station...I pretended it was Seldom's :cool:
     
  19. HaydukeLives!

    HaydukeLives! Well-Known Member

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    Mar 24, 2015
    ah, this is a good thread. Sorry It took me four pages to realize its gold.

    That being said, steamer youre o.k. in my book, pun intended.

    I have a confession to make though, While i believe, fully support, have read, researched, and contemplated everything ed stood for or put onto paper, my memory of exact phrases and passages is bleak.

    This tread has brought back much of the feeling I would get when reading various passages of MWG and desert solitaire while I was a wilderness guide in southern utah. Staring at ranchers fence lines watching wild elk struggle to maintian migration routes while hunters fired upon them from the beds of their trucks. In one hand ed would love to give them a swift kick in the nads, on another he would fully support their movement to stick it to the man and his hunting rules.

    often times I find myself conflicted by movements of those who take an extreme stance on the simplicity of nature and open spaces, and find myself striving to enjoy it more these days than getting pissed off about it changing. Life is too short to not enjoy it. Thanks for posting that original quote steamer, its sick to revisit that balance ed was good at.