Fukishima update: Leak

good links brew. I have come across some things, cant remember site that talked about the isotopes changing into more dangerous 'topes that will have half-lives lasting millions of years, there was a term, I need to find an older post.

I have a hard time believing the data they release isnt politically adulterated before being released

 

You're saying Japan is a democracy like the Yoo Ess Hay? I guess TEpCO is the Emperor there like Goldman Sux is king here. Too big to fail.

 

Good thing my head is on a swivel. I'm going, I'm not going, I'm going, I'm not going, wow this is getting so much more funner for my squirrely brainer tweak wad barf beef chunk. F*ck! Wtf!
Enjoy!

http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/01/01/36-signs-media-lying-radiation-fukushima-affecting-west-coast/

Thoughts Brew? Sorry I keep addressing you, I'm pretty sure you hate me, but your one of the few who are actually paying attention to Fukushima and willing to talk about it.

It's not like there are any surf destinations in the Pacific anyway. Right guys?

 

That article is full of unrelated unproven information, mixed with some actual facts. The author doesn't even understand the isotope he keeps mentioning. Birds in Utah? How would these birds be effected? Are they drinking ocean water? This is why fear monger sites are dangerous. Mix a little bit of factual information with a ton of bullsh1t information, and then people suddenly believe everything.

By the way, half those links provided go to blogs, where the blog author made their own conclusions based on little evidence.

 

The birds in Utah are eagles who eat Salmon which come from the Pacific which is connected to Japan that owns the Nuke site on the coast that has 3 reactors that has melted into a hole in the earth into which millions of gallons of water poured every day. How could you not understand, the article had purdy pics just for you.

 

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/05/30/1221834110.short

PNAS is as legit as sci can get barring political intrusion:

The additional dose from Fukushima radionuclides to humans consuming tainted PBFT in the United States was calculated to be 0.9 and 4.7 µSv for average consumers and subsistence fishermen, respectively. Such doses are comparable to, or less than, the dose all humans routinely obtain from naturally occurring radionuclides in many food items, medical treatments, air travel, or other background sources. Although uncertainties remain regarding the assessment of cancer risk at low doses of ionizing radiation to humans, the dose received from PBFT consumption by subsistence fishermen can be estimated to result in two additional fatal cancer cases per 10,000,000 similarly exposed people.


this is stating no extra danger, but it is 8 months old. Id like to believe this, however I am skeptical

 

^^^^^^ This link that brew just put up had a good chart in the blog about dosages received from common things in our lives.http://deepseanews.com/2013/11/true-facts-about-ocean-radiation-and-the-fukushima-disaster/
I'm just not certain if we're getting the full disclosure of what's happening and what the ultimate result will be. Just like Brew, I want the facts. That's it. Easier said than done for me, apparently everything I find on the subject is bull**** and I don't dispute that because I don't know. I don't like not knowing about something this serious.

 

It is easy to find the facts. If a news article doesn't lead back to peer reviewed research, performed by legit scientists, assume it is bullish1t. There is a lot of good data out there, and most of it shows the main issues to be localized around the reactor site and near by areas.

 

http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/gray-whale-sightings-hit-record-numbers-off-socal/

Record whale sightings in cali. Read the comments at the end. Funny how Fukishima gets blamed right away. Even though in the article it said during a similar weather pattern in 1984/1985 they had similar whale numbers.

 

Didn't read this in it's entirety, just found it and objectively bringing it to the table...

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/01/underground-nuclear-explosion-at-crippled-japan-atomic-plant-shocks-world/

 

Did you click any of those links in the article? Many of the statements they make are not backed by any real evidence. Further more, most of the links go to sites like infowars and beforeitsnews, which are notorious tin foil hat sites. The internet is so full of this crap right now, it is sad. I know you were just bringing it up as a conversation piece, but it is unfortunate that these "news" stories are all over.

 

Yeah man I figured as much...didn't click any of the links, agreed on the state of the internet. My roommate came home the other day and asked if I had heard aboot the 37 pot OD's in Colorado on the first day of legalization, I looked at him, laughed and almost tinkled on myself.

 

Lucky for us we have you debunking and pointing out the flaws. That was good advice about checking the links and their sources. How did you learn what sites are tin foil hat sites?

I'm still skeptical about the pacific though. One of the stranger things imo is the focus on cesium 137 and the lack of acknowledgment towards the more dangerous radioactive materials that are still being released today. Also, a lot of what I read bases study on the initial event, without considering the steady flow of contaminants (300-400 tons of contaminated water daily) that are still pouring into the ocean.

If you plug your tub and let the faucet drip and watch, it would appear that the tub would never fill up (not in this life at least), but if you left it that way and went to work, you would come home to quite a mess that would be a b*tch to remediate.

 

yall know what the sad thing is there is no true behind any of it. no one will ever tell what really went down or how. no one will ever figure out how much radiation is in the ocean and how it will effect people. we will find out in time the effect from it maybe? we live in a sad world me amigos.

 

I have spent a few years discussing scientific topics with some PhD chemist friends at my last job. Infowars has been brought up many times in our discussions, as well as on many internet sites. If you want to know how crazy the people that run infowars really are, you need not look any further than the founder Alex Jones. If you spend a little time searching the net and youtube, you will find that this lunatic draws in people by making false claims and attempting to insight riots. There is a nice radio recording out there of him during Y2K (new years). He basically does a radio show that reminds you of War of the Worlds. He takes everything every caller says as fact, makes up rumors of everything shutting down and collapsing, and encourages people to take up arms and prepare for the worst. In reality, nothing really happened. He is a dangerous man, and would be happy starting another civil war that results in millions of lost lives. And he profits off of it all. More listeners and more readers means more ad revenue.
As for the Cesium part of your comment, the reason it is the main topic is due to the fact that it is the most radioactive and harmful isotope. It has great energy, which corresponds to a shorter half life. Other isotopes are relatively harmless and only present in low quantities. We can also track Cs-137 much easier due to tracers: http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/forum/2...ing-2015-—-study-impact-strength-cesium-137-w

 

yeah and my daddy watched nuclear bombs explode for the army. That makes us both experts.

 

Not really. Just means that Brew had conversations with people that actually knew what they were talking about

 

Your daddy would probably tell you that science > infowars news.

Btw, I never said I was an expert. I just know how to spot the blatant bullsh1t. That is the low lying fruit.

 

Brew, you talk about being skeptical, are you skeptical of authority at all? Its been my experience that authority has reason to lie (social control>>>>easier to wring taxes out of docile sheep)

I think part of the reason we wont get any legit info is they are scared and they dont know exactly what is happening there, humans have never had a meltdown of this caliber/magnitude

 

I don't remember ever saying that I believe what the government is communicating to the public. I base what I know on the real data available. That is way more logical than basing everything on some made up story using no real data. Further more, much of the data presented comes from independent research organizations. These are not people paid by the government. I think the difference between you and I, is that you give the government way more credit than they deserve. I have stated before that the government is unorganized and can't keep a secret. I don't particularly like the government, but I put up with it so I can live my comfortable little life in the USA. Basically, if you want to prove to me that everything is all a big conspiracy, you better come with some real data or verifiable information. If your proof comes from the sociopaths on sites like infowars, I am not going to waste my time.
Do I think Fukushima is a big fock up? Yes. Do I believe the government is being quiet about the severity of this disaster? Yes. Do I believe the government is paying off independent scientists to skew data and hide radiation levels in the water? No. That would be far too easy to catch, even for amateur scientists. It is my personal opinion that we are not using enough resources to stop this reactor leak. However, the US government is too busy fighting amongst themselves over stupid healthcare issues to worry about that. I see this actually becoming an issue for the pacific coast if it is not contained in the near future. Right now, I would only be really worried if you lived in Japan or on a nearby island in the ocean current path. I am still not going to eat any Japanese seafood.