Global Warming: Fact or Fiction?

Discussion in 'Global Surf Talk' started by sisurfdogg, Jun 3, 2017.

  1. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    It's flat and I'm ready to go there. Lot's of you on this forum have applauded Trump dumping the Paris Accord. Then he says he agrees there is "climate change".

    Lots of meat on the bone.

    1. Is there global warming?
    2. Is it man made?
    3. Is there climate change but not global warming?
    4. If there is climate change, but not man made, why is it happening?
    5. Why is the Paris Accord bad for the US if the rest of the world likes it and had committed to it.
    6. Is there a better alternative, assuming there is climate change, to mitigate it outside of the Paris Accords?
    7. Why do you disagree with 98 percent of the worlds scientists that global warming exists and is man made? This is an important question, and if you think the world is flat ,please explain.
    8. If you do not have major stock in coal and oil, why do you oppose the Paris Accords?

    I am trying to get a bead on new information, real facts, that can clear up my confusion.

    Respectfully,

    SISurfdogg
     
  2. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Sh*t goes in cycles, ebb and flow and all that good sh*t. I think it's arrogant to think we humans can or do control it. What will be, will be. Live with it. Climate fanatics are out to f*ckin lunch. Don't be so weird dudes.
     

  3. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Since the 80s, lots of reefs have been bleached out due to rising water temps, and the lagoon side of the barrier islands down here are underwater during big tides with no rain or swell, for the last five years.

    The lows are in the 80s, that didn't happen till August, only a few years ago. Only anecdotal, but after this weekend, I'll look up some data, it's scary. My Mom has to buy a new place to live, I'm suggesting higher ground rather than waterfront. Insurance companies, banks, and underwriters are nervous. She has cash, so she doen't have to buy windstorm or flood insurance, but who needs the aggrivation of rising water on your property, unable to resell it in the future.

    And how come the rest of the entire civilized world thinks its a big deal, but all of a sudden, its not?

    What aboot the Pope for Gods sake, the Pope??? He thinks its a big deal. How bout the Pope? Is he way off base?
     
  4. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
  5. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
  6. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    I mean really, wtf has he ever done? :cool:
     
  7. Donald J Trump

    Donald J Trump Well-Known Member

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    Aug 9, 2016
  8. DosXX

    DosXX Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2013
    Ocean levels rise, ocean levels fall. Ice Ages come and Ice Ages go
    ...whether man is here or not.
    That still does not excuse us from not being good stewards.
     
  9. waldo-7

    waldo-7 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 29, 2015
    We have only been accurately mes tempetur global for about 200 years. That a drop in the ocean when it comes to climate cycles. If it such a big that then why did they have to fake the data? Climate change is about power and control the people who came up with this load of cap don't give a shat about the environment.
     
  10. Clownface

    Clownface Well-Known Member

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    Jan 24, 2017
    Fact and fiction not proven science. That's like predicting swell on the next thanksgiving. Hey SI admin we want a swell forecast a year in advance with accurate wind predictions. Or you will get a strongly worded PM
     
  11. eatswell

    eatswell Well-Known Member

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    Jul 14, 2009
    I remember my girlfriend from years and years ago did a report for her college class about global warming. I was the one who suggested she do it. It was back in the early 90's. I remember seeing how it was believed that factory farming is the leading cause of it and that a meat eater that rides a bicycle everywhere does more damage to the environment and the planet than a vegan that drives a hummer. I followed up on that years later and that belief seemed to grow even stronger.

    Which is why I laugh when fatass Al Gore continues to preach about global warming after stuffing a huge and juicy steak into his fat ****!ng mouth. Same with a lot of those green party characters that still continue to eat their meat. Then they'll tell me that it's my high performance cars and watercraft and bike (even though it gets about 45-48 MPG) and using premium grade fuel that's the problem. Fvck them!
     
  12. Clownface

    Clownface Well-Known Member

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    Jan 24, 2017
    ^^ eatswell is real. Dude really cares about the environment just like clownface but we are not easily fooled. Smart people don't have to attach to groups because their thoughts are so profound that defining them by joining a group distorts the message
     
  13. eatswell

    eatswell Well-Known Member

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    Jul 14, 2009
    I mean, I eat meat almost every day. I contribute to factory farming, so I'm not gonna say that I stand against it. I just hate when the environmentalists tell me the cars I drive and my bike are killing the planet and that I should drive a Prius and my wave runner is poisoning the ocean and meanwhile, they're eating beef and sausage by the freight load.
     
  14. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    They've been saying this stuff as long as I can remember. In the 70's, scientists were saying that fluorocarbons from deodorant spray cans were one of the main contributors to "the erosion of our ozone layer".

    I remember a period during the 80's where there was "strong scientific evidence" that methane from cow farts in Tillamook, Oregon were a prime contributor to (insert 80's term in vogue for "climate change"). It was such a popular notion that it received a lot of electronic media attention, I remember watching a couple of shows about it on shows like 20/20, Nightline and Frontline.

    I have to imagine that being a scientist has got to make one susceptible to a huge amount of peer pressure. Going against the grain of popular belief would subject one to much scorn and ridicule.
     
  15. beachbreak

    beachbreak Well-Known Member

    Apr 7, 2008
    Not a moron, just an antichrist.

    98% of scientists paid by climate change research money so they keep getting paid.

    Natural erosion leads to flooding on barrier islands as the land moves on.

    The rest of the world wants us to pay for everything so they can catch up, and so they also want us to move backwards.
     
  16. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    As I've stated here before, I believe that climate change is real. I also believe that man's activities play a part in it, and therefore should pay attention to being a good steward.

    IMO I believe that the current narrative is being overstated. Every single conservative President takes environmental protections off the table for 4-8 years, and then every single liberal President puts them back in place. This has been going back and forth since before Barry was born and had to skin his first Brontosaurus for his surf trunks.

    All this back and forth, yet not much has really changed. But in a way, it has. I remember when Los Angeles skies were so green/gray and smoggy that my eyes would burn. Many places were bad, but are now much better. Cleveland and Pittsburgh are excellent examples.

    I have to admit that I haven't studied the Paris agreement, but it sounds as if the US is being held to a stricter and more expensive standard than the rest of the world as usual. If that's true, then go in and bargain for something more palatable.

    But the water is not going to become undrinkable, the ocean will not turn into a toilet, and the air unbreathable for our children just because the current administration changes environmental policies for the next 4 years. That's just a lot of hubris and nonsense.

    If anything manmade is to blame, blame it on the Industrial Revolution. But then, we'd all have to give up every single creature comfort that it brought about.

    And I don't see anybody doing that.
     
  17. kidde rocque

    kidde rocque Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2016
    Another note:

    How come no science points out the amount of pollution being spewed by the tens of thousands of aircraft in use every single day?

    They b1tch and moan about vehicles, oil and coal but the world has these things 30,000 feet closer to the source that burns a super toxic fuel and seems to be without any restrictions whatsoever, like maybe a catalytic converter or whatever. I mean, that sh1t can't be good at all. Yet you never hear it discussed.

    Maybe because it would cause a huge inconvenience to every single person in the First World, and might even get their research grants cut to zero.

    Or maybe the people who b1tch about climate change the most use airlines as much or more than anybody on Earth, and would make them look hypocritical?

    Just a guess
     
  18. HelpHelpLetMeOut

    HelpHelpLetMeOut Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    there is an issue
    photosynthesis has been sequestering carbon for 3,400,000,000 years
    we have been digging it up and putting it into the atmosphere gangbusters style for 200 years max?

    that will change things I imagine

    but what? hard to say

    everything I see looks like a politico movement to tax breathing (carbon taxes, you make carbon dioxide all day every day)

    smells like tyranny
     
  19. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 16, 2013
    The climate is definitely changing. The earth for sure has a normal change cycle. However after humans that cycle has seemed to be sped up. Through our pollution of all kinds. Factory farming (from the 'cow farts', as well as the processes it takes to provide the amount of cows with adequate feed), and carbon emissions from all sources (cars, boats, planes, and coal powered energy).
    We have proof there is increased glacial retreat, as well as warming ocean temperatures. Therefore causing more intensified storm events (hurricanes, blizzards, droughts during the summers, blah blah, etc., etc.).
     
  20. HelpHelpLetMeOut

    HelpHelpLetMeOut Well-Known Member

    Mar 2, 2017
    proof of the things happening doesn't mean we are causing the things to happen.

    correlation is not causation