When I was a kid learning to surf, we were always scared of the older guys. They would always hassle us and warn us off set waves, and blatantly drop in on us at every opportunity. On land we were never hassled. Then in the 80's Surfing Magazine and the new burgeoning world tour thrust young shredders in their mid teens sometimes, into close quarters with elder tourmates, and received weeks of hazing and military style treatment while living in team houses on the North Shore. This was shown on videos and in magazines, and created the current culture. This has been perpetuated by the Hello Treads here in this surf predicitin forum. Hazing, or initiations, take place in fraternities, sororities, in the NFL, when you cross the International Date Line, the Equator, etc. Some have gotten out of hand, most you never hear about. Is this a bad thing? Have any of ya'll (youze guyz & galz), been on the giving end or receiving end of grom abuse? What is your attitude on this cultural phenomena as it relates to surfing?