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Exactly. ^^ The 'hidden taxes' that stem from asshat govt interference in the private sector.

 

Obama did not increase the payroll tax, the payroll tax reduction expired. "When originally enacted in December 2010, the 2% reduction was originally scheduled to last only one year, its finite nature evidenced by its description in the statute as a “payroll tax holiday.”"

The tax increase you mention had *nothing* to do with Obamacare. It was part of the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, a compromise bill pushed through Congress as a partial resolution to the then-looming "fiscal cliff" crisis and was completely unrelated to the Affordable Care Act. It also applied only to very high-income earners.

As for your state taxes, I can't help you with that. Move to NH.

And quit being such as asswipe to everyone on this forum who questions you in any way. Your name calling is incredibly juvenile. I mean are you 6?

 

You're flat out brainwashed, sparky. And because you're brain washed, that makes you a liar. Like them aka the feds.

Americans are paying more per payroll for Obamacare. It primarily comes in the form of higher fees, premiums, deductibles & other 'associated costs' with medical care. You can call it what you will, but it is, plain & simple, taxes in sheep's clothing. WTF don't you understand about that. Oh, right, got it: everything.


The Affordable Care Act was described as a law to ease the financial burden on Americans and improve their coverage and care. But neither has happened. Our care has been compromised and all of us—even those who didn’t choose Obamacare coverage—are paying the price. This is not affordable health care.

The Daily Caller reports that over the next decade, consumers will pay more than $145 billion for the tax. Language for the tax was buried in Section 9010 of the Affordable Care Act as a way to raise future funds to pay for Obamacare. Now, some lawmakers are calling for repeal of Section 9010 of the law. Among them is Sen. John Barrasso (R-WY), who told the Daily Caller that the tax “is another example of how the president’s health care law was designed so the most painful parts of the law kick in years later.”

“Ironically,” The Daily Caller continued, “the elderly and the poor—those who were supposed to benefit most from Obamacare—will be adversely affected by the new tax, as will financially hard-pressed state governments.”

 

While the fiscal cliff deal extended the income tax rates for 99% of Americans, one expiring provision that was not given new life by the 11th hour negotiations was the 2% reduction to an employee’s share of Social Security payroll taxes. For 2011 and 2012, employees paid only 4.2% of their wages towards Social Security. Beginning January 1, 2013, that burden has reverted back to 6.2%. As a result, if you earn a salary, you may have noticed that your first paycheck in 2013 was 2% lighter than your last check in 2012, assuming equal pay.

Sounds like more taxes to me, siggbutt.

 

Here's another item for your passive-aggro siggbutt:

Here is what the increased tax scenario looks like for Obamacare. In the next 10 yrs, if you make under $15,000: it's just over $59.00. If you make between $50,000 and $100,000, it's $6,069.90. And if you make between $200,000 and $250,000, it's $38,200.66

Those numbers appear to confirm the observation of Cato Institute Senior Fellow Michael Tanner that ObamaCare is "a wealth-transfer program with health insurance attached."


It's also critical that you realize this:
There are also new taxes every year on insurance companies, drug makers, and medical device manufacturers. Architects of the Affordable Care Act say those businesses can afford it.

Herro...?!? Wakey wakey, siggbutt, this is exactly how the feds work it. They nail private sector companies with higher taxes, knowing full well that those companies will pass along those taxes to the American Sheeple in the form of higher fees for everything. But the feds can sit there & smugly claim tha they didn't hit the American Sheeple with any new taxes.

It's complete crap, and if you at least don't want to wake up then just stfu. In the sense of cease & desist with your posting of lies & will ignorance because it's offensive, it really is.

 

What size T-Shirt are you?!

 

Get In

 

I just can't stand paying more & more taxes, our hard-earned dollars, to these entitled, arrogant govt asshats. And that's the sum total of my bi-partisan look at this year's election.

 

Dont be a pu.s.sy

 

Point taken.

Yes, I'm one of the tax paying cow sheeple.

The only advantage that I have in this ridiculous game they are forcing us to play is that I pass all of my increased govt-inflicted overhead on to other sheeple. Because that's how they play it & those are the ground rules. America, once a bargain, is now all about every person & every corp gettin' theirs at someone else's expense. And that modus operandi comes from the top: the feds.

In time, I won't be part of this scenario - - that's the goal.

 

Again yank, the average tax burden today is the same as in 2006. My taxes have not gone up. If yours have then go find a good accountant and quit your incessant *****ing. Christ you sound like an old lady.

 

ACA created $500 billion in new taxes. This guys site who sites CBo data lays it out pretty good.
https://jeffduncan.house.gov/full-list-obamacare-tax-hikes

Also, the payroll tax increase possibly helped cause the dems to lose control of congress.

I consider the 86% increase in premiums a tax....it's an end around. A family of four making $100k gets no credit and is stuck with higher premium.

I could not find the CBOs average tax burden not changing. It seems from what I read the middle class did not fare very well from a tax standpoint. And the payroll tax hit those same families (100k) hardest...b/c it phases out at $117k. Think about it....100k income, with premiums for a family going up approximately $5k (5% of income) plus 2% from payroll tax holiday. It don't matter how many charts CBO puts out...the #s are quantifiable for any one tax payer. There is no way your not paying more since Obama.

Also, tax revenues in general have not been robust due to a very weak economy skewing data from pre Great Recession to date.

 

No. What I said is not fear mongering and it is not inaccurate. It is actually a less educated man's (me)way of saying the same thing you did. That since the Civil War the Federal government has taken away the balance that the Constitution originally intended to create between individual, States, and Federal rights.
As NY/NJ has stated, we are f@cked no matter who wins this election. That ain't fear mongering son, it's the truth.

 

If you're playin' poker & you look around the table & you can't spot the sucker...? It's you.

That sums you up, along with your passive-aggro-name-calling-stop-calling-me-names kookery. The feds own your mind & paycheck.

If you seriously believe that your taxes have not gone up in 10 yrs then you're just the fool on the hill. And you're still doing the same ol' thing, pullin' the same ol' sledge & you will be til you croak in the traces. Again, just what the govt wants out of you.

 

Well-stated, accurate & you can't even hate on JayD like you enjoy spewing towards me, siggbutt.

 

The family of four earning 100K has also had their deductible raised dramatically, from 1K to 10K. That is wealth transfer as well.

 

o Yankee. The 2 tax increases you mentioned in your earlier post had nothing to do with Obama or Obamacare, just calling you out on this.

Re-read since you clearly did not read this the first time:

Obama did not increase the payroll tax, the payroll tax reduction expired. "When originally enacted in December 2010, the 2% reduction was originally scheduled to last only one year, its finite nature evidenced by its description in the statute as a “payroll tax holiday.”"

The tax increase you mention had *nothing* to do with Obamacare. It was part of the American Taxpayer Relief Act of 2012, a compromise bill pushed through Congress as a partial resolution to the then-looming "fiscal cliff" crisis and was completely unrelated to the Affordable Care Act. It also applied only to very high-income earners.


On the separate topic of Obamacare, my premiums and deductibles dropped significantly, but I am a self-employed person who had to purchase his own insurance, so I stood to benefit from this unlike some others. In addition, before Obamacare we had 1 insurer in NH, now we have 5 insurance companies to choose from with multitudes of different plans. And don't forget, before Obamacare health care costs were rising at unsustainable levels. Still a lot of issues for sure, particularly around cost containment, but still a step in the right direction from what we had before where the insurance companies called *all* the shots.

On a side note, I received a $400 rebate yesterday back from Anthem because they were spending less than the required 80% of their premiums on non-health care services (such as absurd salaries for their CEO). Thanks Obama.