Hellery Vs Donald POLL

The Russians made me put out yard signs

 

Long thread. No difference it will make.

 

Not sure I'm down with that, DP, but did you notice that only this tread brings out the legends like chucka-boo-boo? The barn must have burnt down from the shower of sparks when he was ass-reaming the latex dummy at high speed.

 

Indeed. Just like yard signs and bumper stickers, nobody will be changing their position because of this tread.

 

latex dummies lives matter

 

Lol, yes indeed, and it has been termed many ways over the centuries, but "responsible" is probably the most understandable these days, except to libbies, hence welfare for life, etc...

No, you were mistaken with your telepathic fantasies, but I will concede that I agree with you on that matter, as well. As previously stated, this female's stance is quite a bit different from your stance.

It is very simple. If the mother has virtue, she sacrifices herself for the sake of her unborn child, and the father permits it, if he, too, has virtue. Understand something, the mother lives on through her loving and unselfish sacrifice for her child. Although it may thereafter seem as if the mother is not present, she truly is and always will be; the chain of life is unbroken and prospers. In rape cases, same thing, except the victim should be giving the opportunity to castrate the violator, publicly as a deterrent, and such criminal behavior will then quickly decline.

A woman's body...her rights to her body, all true, but blahblahblah and Blah... devisive leftist chatter of old. Truth is, that body is no longer hers, the moment that she conceives. If she consciously alters her state, she has committed murder, as has any individual(s) assisting her, and any manner whatsoever.

Anyway, I notice the livestream link that Archy kindly provided does not show last night's debate; it shows a previous debate, odd.

 

Left or right has nothing and should have nothing to do with it.

 

Hahaha This thread lures out the lurkers and has beens, but it's good to see some of them, keeps things interesting.

Right on, my official stance on the subject actually hasn't been posted, I was just offering up ideas for a compromise between to the two sides as an alternative to the extremes and discussing the potential for abuse of a loophole rule. Your stance takes a lot of courage for a woman and her loved ones. It's definitely a hard decision and one I hope my wife and I are never faced with.

 

My issue with the anti abortion position is that it runs HIGHLY contrary to conservatism. That and Roe v Wade being terrible law.

 

You may have missed my earlier post; I will cut and paste it here:

"Lawyers have you guys talking about the minutia of law regarding abortion. That should be a side issue, if at all.
The real issue, the central point, is that no matter at what "trimester" an abortion is done, it is homicide. You are ending a life. Life is a continuity; disruption of that continuity sucks.
The USA should hold a plebiscite on the issue--yes or no.
No male should be allowed to vote; females only.
Transgenders can go fvck themselves (instead of kill themselves, regrettably)."

 

YOu have to take viablilty into account.

The ONLY people who should be allowed to vote are current and former military.

 

Yes Sir!! At your Command, General!!

 

but what is the role of govt on this issue??

 

Uphold the constitution.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

It would appear from the founding documents that they were cognizant of "equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them"

as well as (from the Declaration of Independence):
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. "

Both science (nature) and religion (nature's God) concur that the zygote is the beginning of life and that this life, although in the womb and dependent on the mother*, is a separate life, as it has a different set of DNA, and is entitled to protection (*Note: this life will indeed be dependent for years following childbirth).

So I think to uphold and protect life is a value and virtue to be promoted and protected by all.

BTW, @SoFlo: props for a bold post on this.

 

well, abortion really falls under the 10th Amendment (contrary to Roe v Wade) but specifically how does govt enforce an abortion ban