"I like DJT because he seems like a real down to earth, regular guy" - DPSUP

The legislators are sending you to jail, not the cops. But even then--it is your behavior that gets you sent to jail. You do it to yourself.
Still don't get it?? This must be Obtuse Wednesday....

 

I believe in treatment vs. jail time if there is no violent or criminal behavior involved. If the person is charged with more than just possession than jail time combined with treatment is probably the answer.

My nephews are a prime example. Great kids, well they use to be. They got hooked on pills and heroin and anything else they can get their hands on. One has been arrested like 8 times between the age of 18-27.

He's been in special programs and all that stuff to help him get back into society but he keeps going back to the drugs and then before you know it he's committing crimes to fuel his habit again. Some of the stuff he did, he deserved jail time for. The treatment route hasn't really worked on him yet, nor do I see it helping if he does the same things again but hopefully he'll find the right program and finally beat it, if he wants to that is.

His brother, also a junkie, hasn't found a way to beat it yet. He's been in some trouble too but not to that level. He's in a treatment program right now and is working and going to be there another year it sounds like. He's been clean a couple months. He is doing a little better with the treatment program than his brother but time will tell. All it takes is a little bit a freedom and they usually jump right back on the wagon.

My point is, I have a lot of personal experience with family members doing time as it relates to actual drugs (not herb), and doing jail time and also rehab. Drugs alone shouldn't be jail worthy, it's the crimes they commit as a result that are.

 

sucks about your family members. hope they can get the help they need to break the cycle. meanwhile the pharma companies are raking it in selling these "safe because they've been approved by the FDA" drugs by the truckload. those are the true criminals here imo. don't understand how they escape any responsibility in the opioid epidemic that is ravishing this country.

 

Wow...now you are really ridiculous. Pharma companies are "the true criminals".
Ask any cancer patient that was cured of their cancer if they are criminals. Ask them if the opioids helped them through the pain of the disease.
Again, it is the behavior of idiots. Pharma has no pill as of yet for idiocy, imbecility, or stupidity. You will have to be patient.....

 

I appreciate that. I totally agree that the pharma companies are partly to blame. Trump's team has plans to help with the opiod epidemic. Treatment being a focus. Let's see how that plays out over the next 4-8 years. Hopefully they can make it more affordable / accessible. I hear a big reason people don't get treatment is because it's actually cheaper to just keep using.

 

Barry, I don't think he means all opiods are bad (i'm guessing here) under normal circumstances. It's the flooding of the market and the pushing them on people who don't truly need them, the "pain management" clinics being a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig problem, especially in FL. People from all over the country will drive down to FL to get what they can't get back home and they get it easily, just like seeing a drug dealer, which is what they are.

 

Most of the opioid pills found on the street are made abroad illegally by illegal organizations, as weed was for years, not by the home based pharma companies. There are zero channels of illegal distribution from the pharma companies here in the USA. A few trickle out from docs prescriptions. That all is fake news, again.

 

Then Florida has clinic problem, not a drug problem.
It is like saying the world has a human caused global warming problem, when the actual problem is a population growth problem going unchecked.

 

What's fake news? I can walk you down to a handful of "pain management clinics" who have actual doctors or practitioners who have legal authority to write scripts. But they abuse the privilege and give every Tom, D*ck, and Harry the pills. As many as they want or can afford in some cases. Most of which are just addicts with no real need other then their addiction.

 

It's not just Florida, but I agree we have a clinic problem. It doesn't mean that the pharma companies aren't trying to profit off it though. It's money man, corrupt people in every industry. You know that.

 

It's rather easy to find if you just just google. There are hundreds of links but you don't see the MSM talking about it. They have never reported one positive thing. These links are many conservative sites or republican sites but they do show the screen print. I actually know a few people who actually saw the poll on CNN.

 

That is NOT a drug problem--that is a clinic and doctor problem. The cure is vastly different. But media reports it, and our population consumes it as a "drug problem". Misdirected, ergo, fake news. You see, governments can get billions from companies for fines, but pennies from doctors and clinics. Fake news.

 

There is not one drug company, of the likes of Merck, GSK, Lilly, Pfizer, that wants their analgesics used illegally. That COSTS them money, doesn't earn them a penny. That too is fake news. Reason?? See above...

 

It's a complex problem due to all involved. I know you're a retired pharma guy so I respect your opinion but at the same time I realize you are bias as a result of your career experience. I'm not saying all pharma companies are bad or that everything they do is bad, but being that they create the drugs and push them on the market (with profit being the #1 objective) they are at the very least part of the problem while still being part of the solution for the people in true need.

 

There's bad apples in every industry.

 

Exactly! We would all have the same house, no guns, people on welfare would be in the same situation as someone who works their ass off, refugees everywhere, islamic sharia law implemented and rampant deaths from Islamic terrorism. Millions of illegals would bleed the system dry and citizens would pick up the tab until we were reduced to poverty.

Everyone will also wear skinny jeans or pjs outside, grow fake beards, wear moby glasses, listed to music no one has heard and eat avocado toast. These "boys" would eventually be classified as a mangina gender identity which no one can make fun of because they claimed victim status. Govt would pay for their children's puberty blocks because 6 year old Johnny plays with dolls and must identify as a woman. We basically would end up in a society of actual FREAKS which we can't shoot with our guns to put them out of their misery.

 

You are already "reduced to poverty".
You are in debt to the tune of 20 TRILLION dollars.
There is no recovery from that. Blame ALL politicians for that, no exceptions. They should be executed, every one of them, no exception. All of them, past and present.

 

It is not "bias"--it is knowing the facts which 99.9999% of the population does not know.
Also, as a retiree, I owe them NO ALLEGIANCE. Zero.

 

Yes, and there are actually democrats and Bernie supporters who think it will be great to bring in Socialism regardless of one's work ethic. They will steal from the middle to prop up the failures. Then, we will all be on the same level except obviously the politicians who will still have 2-3 houses like Bernie. They never practice what they preach, Bernie is a prime example (book deals and vacation homes). I'm sure he will hold onto them after he passes his Marxist agenda.

 

Most republicans are exactly the same, so don't kid yourself. They would sell you into slavery for a penny.