Is the WSL still interesting?

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by bubs, Jan 6, 2019.

  1. NNYNJ

    NNYNJ Well-Known Member

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  2. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    to paraphrase Cuda, he's up against surfers. Most of those guys were behind the ball with Kelly from the beginning and never caught up. I don't think there is any way this couldn't have come out way earlier if true.
     
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  3. La_Piedra

    La_Piedra Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2017
    Yeah just keeping it real for arguments sake.

    imho Kelly is the Tom Brady of surfing.

    Not only has he been the diamond standard of surfing, he's head and shoulders smarter than his competitors.

    But that don't mean Brady's clean either lol
     
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  4. BassMon2

    BassMon2 Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2015
    Yeah guys. Yank brought up great points that definitely make you think about him being dirty. But i personally always thought he was just so focused on health and competition. The guys smart as hell. I actually always say he should be president. Half jokingly. The guy looks at things in a very sensible and realistic way.

    Yanks point of him not just being better, but waaaaaay better is interesting and makes me think though.

    If we found out he was dirty that'd be like finding out Santa isn't real.
     
  5. capecodcdog

    capecodcdog Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2012
    I agree w/ AkaP and don't suspect Kelly would be juicing or a user of PEDs. Bulky muscles are not a plus for surfing at the highest level (all though I will say PEDs aren't only used for strength and bulk). Kelly has always seemed to be focused on nutrition and training (similar mindset to TB12), and surfing in all kinds of conditions.

    In the recent flick "Momentum Generation", Slater's intensity was evident, a lot of which set him apart, as well as the raw talent he was born with. Also, FWIW, there was not much substance abuse in that crew, either PED or otherwise, depicted in the film. It seemed to portray, for the most part, them as very straight and clean (except Weatherly's struggles after Chesser died).
     
  6. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Well-Known Member

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    Nov 19, 2018
    What??!!?? Santa isn't real!!??!!
    WWAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
     
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  7. Yankkee

    Yankkee Well-Known Member

    Nov 8, 2017
    Agan, PEDs are so many & so different in what results they can obtain. It's truly a pharmacy & you get to pick & choose what you want to attain & what drugs will get you there.

    Bulked up bodies are only one of the items. It's easy to utilize certain PEDs jack up your recovery abilities & oxygen processing goes off the charts without adding any muscle whatsoever. Armstrong & many cyclists, swimmers & distance runners are living proof of that (EPO, et. al).

    Everything being said regarding Slater being that much better than everyone else was said about every other athlete that blew away their peers. And it all fell apart, every time, as dirty athletes got nailed.

    I think Slater did his thing at exactly the right time, prior to sophisticated & modern drug testing in surfing. Then he scaled back on the PEDs when the ASP ramped up testing. It's just an opinion, he's long past getting busted now.

    I just don't believe that surfing is the only sport where the world champ & every other competitor for that matter were clean, not indulging in PEDs, when all around them in every sport you can name, the pros were hitting the PEDs, in 'The Steroid Era.'

    Slater's a smart man who went after every edge he could to win; he's not dumb enough not to have taken PEDs. Anyways, good hot stove convo in the winter as we prep for snow hitting the shutdown asshat capital.
     
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  8. La_Piedra

    La_Piedra Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2017
    Let's set the record straight, buoys. And this is not an indictment of Slater either.

    But you cannot always tell if a guy is juiced by just looking at him.

    Even if he is taking straight testosterone, it doesn't automatically equate to mass and bulk. The size a person gets from any any PED is correlated directly to the type and frequency of training.

    So even if a surfer takes more than what is recognized as a clinical dose, he will gain minimal mass (but realize greater fat burning gains), as long as his training revolves around activities like surfing and P90X or light circuit training.

    The only method to gain bulk is through heavy weight training and a diet which includes more calories than what is being burned during exercise.

    That's it. Guys don't get huge by taking steroids alone. The type of exercise, and caloric intake, dictates how big you can become. That's why it's useless to take a stack of Deca and D-bol, then sit on the couch and eat potato chips and watch Maury. It just doesn't work.

    Anyways, testosterone would be a lousy choice for surfers, when there are literally dozens of way better alternatives out there for those seeking an edge.

    EDIT: just posted this after Yank, which kinda repeats what he said lol
     
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  9. Yankkee

    Yankkee Well-Known Member

    Nov 8, 2017
    Dang it, Kid....it doesn't ?!?!?! I need to change my training!! :D:D
     
  10. La_Piedra

    La_Piedra Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2017
    Yeah after seeing those pix of you surfing CR and Chicama, I started wondering if you had stock in Balco lol
     
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  11. Yankkee

    Yankkee Well-Known Member

    Nov 8, 2017
    But as we’ve seen time and time again, regimes that appear watertight on paper, can in practice allow widespread wrongdoing. Many have expressed doubts testing goes far enough. The high cost and remoteness of some World Tour locations, such as Fiji where there is no lab to test samples, means there are no tests at some events. Steph Gilmore said she was not tested at all in 2012 and Kelly Slater had just one test that season.

    The five month delay in WSL announcing Monteiro’s positive test and the less-than-full disclosure – we still don’t know what he took – suggest surfing is making the same mistakes we’ve seen before: attempting to protect the image of the sport at the expense of transparency and accountability.
    - - The Inertia
     
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  12. smitty517

    smitty517 Well-Known Member

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    Oct 30, 2008
    You boys really talked this one through.
     
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  13. Yankkee

    Yankkee Well-Known Member

    Nov 8, 2017
  14. aka pumpmaster

    aka pumpmaster Well-Known Member

    Apr 30, 2008
    One more thing to ponder....this stuff ALWAYS comes out and there hasn't been any hard evidence to show slater did it. Some people know if he did or didn't and those people always talk.
     
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  15. CJsurf

    CJsurf Well-Known Member

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    Apr 28, 2014
    Honestly I wouldn't care if Kelly were found to be using modern medicine to perform his best and recover from injuries. That's between him and his medical team.
     
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  16. Yankkee

    Yankkee Well-Known Member

    Nov 8, 2017
    Open up surfing & all pro sports to currently illegal drugs & PEDs....?
    I'm just asking for a friend o_O
     
  17. Barry Cuda

    Barry Cuda Well-Known Member

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    Nov 19, 2018
    You mean steroids give you a blue face??
     
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  18. La_Piedra

    La_Piedra Well-Known Member

    Oct 9, 2017
    Remember when Lyle Alzado retired and eventually went batshit crazy and blamed steroids and the NFL for force-feeding them to him?

    Maybe steroid abuse, and not actual repetitive violent contact, is the actual cause of CTE to the brain?

    we all enjoyed watching sports before our male and female heroes started resembling comic book figures, right?

    i could do without the juicing clown show. It's getting ridiculous, on the level of professional wrestling.
     
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