It's Been Awhile Wayne

Yankee- your ALWAYS complaining about Him.... Why are you starting a thread to bring up the subject that you dislike so much??? And I'm not just talking about Wayne...


Since you bring it up- I will say this- when I look around at nature and see how it works perfectly together- I find it easier to believe in a creator then to believe that something came from nothing. Just sayin

 

When I look around at nature and see how its being turned to shizz, I find it easier to blame someone for creating ignorant a-holes and morons

 

you need kids yank......its funny how those lil babys can change your whole outlook on life
If you do have kids please don't share these thoughts with them

 

two words..

.....aliens, brah.

 

Morgellons !!!!!

 

yeah okay Wayne but you didn't respond to a single part of that question which=ignorance=which=a lack of understanding in your own existance. If you can't logically explain those things while validating your own lifestyle that you push unto others than you're no better than the sinners you scorn, bruh.

 

Evolution....just the facts...bruh's. Wayne you must be talking about Islam spreading like wilfire....like I said... just the facts.

 

Something didn't come from nothing. To oversimplify it, the Big Bang was likely created by a massive singularity (all matter condensed into single point), matter spreads out after big bang (and some complicated chemical reactions take place), hot gasses, blah blah, gravitational forces, blah blah, stars born, blah blah, planets form, blah blah, then this happens: protein chains --> simple DNA/RNA --> single cell organism --> multi cell organism --> complex organism --> couple billion years of evolution --> humans.

Of course, studying and understanding the details of all those events takes decades. Hundreds of years worth of experiments and research went into understanding how it happened. But it is much easier to just say god did it, and poof, here we are. As an agnostic, I am not going to tell you that there is no god or deity. I can only tell you that a deity is not needed to explain what we know about nature and evolution.

 

As I have said before:
Science flies people to the moon.
Religion flies people into buildings.

 

It isn't the truth. It is your belief, no matter how much factual proof it lacks. More would be accomplished in this world if we all put aside our deities and fairy tales, and looked at things more logically. We would all understand that there is no proof of heaven or hell, and you have one life to life. Best make it a good life.

 

Morphine for the masses.

I got no problems if you use your beliefs to better yourself and elavate others. Unfortunately organized religion is generally used to seperate " us from them" so that men can be told it is okay to kill other men who believe differently because god is on their side.

 

The OP is more of an indictment on the folly of moral relativism and man's inability on his own to discern right and wrong than whether a creator deity is in play and the existence of moral absolutes. On my bucket list is a meeting at "the place that shall not be named", score some waves, and discuss over a beach side log fire with food and drink. It would be cool. Besides, I type too slow and have too much to do for lengthy discussions on this swell venue.

Regarding BE vs WH2O, if it still boils down to that singular point of matter and energy (E=mc^2), then the philosophical question is where did that singular point come from? One must put their "faith" in that either it was created by an eternal entity or that it is eternal itself, which is a mind wracker in itself.

Science is an important tool to understand many things in creation (i.e. the physical world), however, it does not and cannot provide answers to everything (see Scientism).

A salient point by BE that we can all agree on is that "you have one life to life. Best make it a good life." Although we fall apart sometimes at the definition of good.

LazyE states a very good point: "Unfortunately organized religion is generally used to separate 'us from them'.. ." IMHO, this is not the intent of the "good news" (which unfortunately gets maligned -- as personal agendas, greed, power, etc, pollute the ointment), which is a message that reconciles humans to their creator and in the process to one another. Like most things, we screw it up. The ideal is that we can be at peace w/God and one another.

Be well all.

 

There are plenty of good theories on what lead up to the big bang. Science cannot prove everything at this time, but it has done a damn good job of explaining why we are here at this point in evolution. Just because we don't know everything does not mean the best alternative is to toss aside all we know and start believing in things that are completely unverified/untrue. And I really don't have an issue with those that want to believe a deity started the whole big bang thing, but to say we were all magically created in our current form is complete pseudoscience.

 

Hallelujah!

 

Amen!

 

This statement is a priori .. since science, by definition, does not allow for the supernatural, since it deals exclusively with in the domain of nature. Thus, it is accepted that science can neither prove or disprove the existence of the deity. Such things can only be asserted.

 

That is the basis of agnosticism. Again, the existence of a deity is not required to explain how we evolved (and are continuing to evolve) to our current state. The fact that people like Wayne are willing to toss all data and research in the trash, in favor of stories in a single book written by men, just confuses me. That is the core of what seems to be a new trend of anti-intellectualism.
What I will be interested in seeing, and I hope I am alive for it, is the reaction from the religious extremists when we finally discover life that developed on planets outside our own. I am sure it will be labeled as just another trick the devil is playing on man.

BTW, capecod, since you seem to be on the more rational side of the religious... What if what you believe to be supernatural, is actually natural, playing within the boundary of spooky physics? Just because science doesn't believe in supernatural, does not mean scientist couldn't allow a creator for the big bang. Maybe it is just a matter of interpretation. What some believe to be a man creating everything, is actually a physical entity with power at a quantum level. Nature is strange and chaotic, and we have much to learn about how extreme it can get.