Keep Infectious Haole Money Out of Hawaii

Good points all around.

 

I don't know what this treade is aboot,but are they trying to say they don't want tourism in Hawaii?how would they survive?the economy is a real thing,money gets recycled and put back into the economy.if nobody comes and visits there is no more economy.idk all I can think about is randy in the margaritaville episode lol

 

O Cuda...People are swarming Waikiki with choke demand on the beach boy services (unlike the symphonic halls). The beach boy job is not dying, the way in which the services are provided is changing. Not sure how PR and your childhood play into the point. I have never scene PR's tourism cater to beach goers in this fashion...maybe I have missed it I suppose. I think the "beach boy" lifestyle as they put it is unique to Waikiki (and Virginia Beach lol).

You are right about change...in this instance, I think it sucks that a century old tradition of having a local vibe catering to the tourons is coming to an end. money and politics...same as it ever was!

 

It is NOT coming to an end. It is just that someone else is doing it. Change in personnel. Employees, not the self-employed. Taxes, taxes, taxes, bribes, bribes, bribes, etc....money talks, bullshit walks.
In PR, in the 50s and 60s, all hotels hired locals for lifeguard services. Many were my elder brothers friends, and 10 years later, many were my friends. Hotels no longer provide lifeguards at all - just stick a sign in the sand--"Swim at your own Risk". Lifeguarding lifestyle gone. Signs are cheaper. I am talking the Condado tourist hotel area (San Juan).
Same thing as beach boys. No difference as the lifeguards provided "other" activities (as in after hours with hot tourist chicks)

 

https://www.surfline.com/surf-news/uniformed-waikiki-beachboys-end-booking-dive-tours-ipads/25606

temporary restraining order...I'm sure judge will side with the dive guys.

 

This dude was always wise.

But Mr. Swellinfo Guy wasn't the moderator hero some of y'all believe. The past always seems rosier. Dude's totally uptight. But what do you expect from dudes with pools. This stupid place bought him a freaken pool. Man, I wish I had a pool. That would be sweet. I'd swim laps and sheet. (Hey, am I allowed to cuss on here these days?) Make my dog watch me swim around, desperate for a walk.

 

I wanna go to Hawaii (Oahu) and dump money into the economy.

Haven't been there in over 4 years now and I think I'm gonna crack. Must a make a trip there between now and September, during one of my free weeks. I have the money, so why not just do it?

 

https://stabmag.com/news/dive-oahu-...arent-attempted-arson-on-his-surfboard-stand/

 

ITS MAUI TIME! WHO GOTTA MATCH?

 

after watching Bustin Down the Door and reading this article, i'm starting to get a feel of how things are done in Hawaii. They need Dog the Bounty Hunter back, real bad

 

does that include haole welfare money??

 

I have to believe their lousy public education system has a lot to do with the state of things in HI.

 

is the education system reflected of the government or crappy parents?

 

They system and how it's funded is a relic of the plantation days. It's the only system in the country (the entire island chain is one single district) where property taxpayers don't fund the school system. That's the biggest problem right there. Without funding, those who can afford to send their kids to private schools. Those who can't... which always turns out to be the families that need the education the most... stay in the public school system. And the cycle perpetuates itself.

 

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html
hawaii is in the upper third of spending per student in the country. I'm not sure throwing more money at it is the solution...

 

That's misleading information. For example, I'm almost certain DC schools are some of the worst in the country. Plus... it just costs more to do the same things in Hawaii as it does in, say... Ohio.

Using property taxes to fund schools brings a measure of accountability. That's what's missing.

 

nothing misleading at all about hard data. Your point about DC confirms my point that mo money is not always the solution. Results, i.e., graduation rates, standardized test scores bring accountability. The state is in the process of spending an estimated 8.3 billion (with a B) to bring rail to honoruru, a rail system I might add that I will probably never use but nevertheless am getting taxed to pay for. You think there might have been a better use for that $?
Since NJ pays the highest property taxes in the Union you guys schools are the best right?

 

A short-sighted, over-generalization, brother. It varies from state to state... district to district. Looking at averages tells you very little. I'm not a resident of Hawaii, so I'm only going by what I read. And... we're totally hijacking this thread, so I'll end my part of this sidebar with this...

You're absolutely correct that more money does not directly or automatically relate to better schools.

Graduation rates and test scores are only part... and I'd argue a very small part... of the total measurement of school quality. Which is not "accountability." When local schools fail, local taxpayers can hold school boards accountable, and school boards can and do fire administrators. This is not the case in Hawaii, where all schools are 100% funded by the state, and "adjustment aid" is determined by enrollment alone. There is no money for special programs, like gifted and talented, and not enough money for adequate special education programs... or special ed teachers. What would you do if you had a kid who needed these kinds of services and the school said, sorry... we can't raise enough money to fund these programs, so you'll get what we offer - a sub-standard program, and no leverage to make it any better.

You get last licks...

 

Agree to a point, I like to paint in broad strokes cause you can't base policy off individual circumstances. I'm all for more accountability in everything. Good discussion Mano.
I have a pre-school kid, at some point these things are going to become very real for us...

 

Guys guys guys, your kids iPhone will tell them everything they need to know. Apple's got this.