Long Boarders: Kick me some knowledge please

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by zach619, May 22, 2014.

  1. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Is that before or after our echoing tread-off of verbiage per the request of MIS?
     
  2. Mr.Belmar

    Mr.Belmar Well-Known Member

    Aug 19, 2010
    Dude nice board...

    That dudes review pretty much wraps it up with the fin- I love the cut away fin! I even rock it on a 6'1 single fin that I have... I would totally get rid of the side bits tho- it's a personal thing, I never really liked them on a long board, if you chose to keep them you might want to look into a smaller center fun like 7.5 to 8 inch. I feel like it makes the board more restrictive and you can get plenty of speed on a longboard that they really arnt needed unless your dropping into some drainers and your fin keeps popping out.
    The tail of that board looks nice- I'm sure you can nose ride it... Truth be told, if you know how to nose ride you can pretty nose ride any board with a longboard shape / outline.

    Brah you gotta post a pic of you dropping into a 10ft barrel on that thing!
     

  3. worsey

    worsey Well-Known Member

    Oct 13, 2013
    always wear a leash.
    why? its good manners.
    only one exception to this rule and its for those that surf alone.
     
  4. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Haha. No doubt. Still waiting for a 10 footer to grace this stretch of coastline.
     
  5. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    depends. Its very good training not too. I went leashless a lot in the summer in CA. There were numerous spots along the Sunset Cliffs where it was poor etiquette to wear one. You surf a place a few times and see that everyone is leashless, and you get it. Its like a penalty if you blow a wave. It takes you 10 minutes to swim in, get your board and paddle back out 300 yards... Its a cultural thing in most places. If you are surfing 48th st in OC MD in July, yeah I could see wearing a leash for safety and to protect your board, but out of hundreds of leashless sessions, I have never, not once ever put anyone in danger with it....

    A lot of it is mental too. Its great training for competitive surfing. I did a couple summer comps when I was 25 and 26 and weeks leading up to it, I would try and go without a leash, because it trains your mind to operate different with regards to commitment. Its easy to try and boost an air reverse off a closeout section with a leash on. But there is definitely a naked feeling you have without the leash, where you are way more dialed in to actually sticking the trick instead of going as big as you can. Its a great tool to work on the very technical side of things. Cause even in a charity comp or whatever you are surfing in, if you blow a move, you lose your score.... Same thing applies in free surfing. The goal for me in any free surfing session is always to finish the wave and stick your landings. Nothing worse than coming out of a barrel and doing a layback snap and falling...

    Try going out and doing a bunch of layback snaps without a leash. By the end of one day of it, you will have mastered it and understand the full commitment level of the trick...

    With that being said, I never use a leash on a longboard unless it huge out. How can you cross step and turn backwards on the nose and do all the fun stuff on a longboard with a leash. We used to go out on the cliffs and do the paddle in shove it, fins out, let the fins catch, board spins and then you ride out... Can't do that with a leash.... Just youtube some of your favorite longboarders. Tudor, whoever... They never have a leash on...

    I agree with the concept you have of safety, but brother, I am also not out there blowing drops and stuff. On a typical longboard day down here, I will paddle out with dry hair and a couple hours later leave with dry hair. Sometimes I will dive in to cool off, but its not a really difficult scene down here with regards to surfing.
     
  6. OES1888

    OES1888 Member

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    Jan 5, 2014
    Squirrel cutaway good for 2+1, bigger one is fun, kind of like Greenough paddle fin in my opinion (which is worth 1 can of old green beans) 10' leash way too long for, if 9'6" then 9' leash plenty long even on the nose and use calf leash - beats the crap out of ankle style
    whenever possible skip the leash unleash too many swimmers or children in the way- does improve your surfing dramatically and its one less thing to keep up with...
    and there are differences between nose riders and pigs and logs and its all subspecies but important to some Also agree that the George Christ Almighty Greenough is perfect go to fin
     
  7. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    752
    Nov 16, 2013
    You definitely do NOT need a leash on a lb if you're doin it right. I never wear one. My lb doesnt even have a leash plug.
     
  8. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    omg that one with roy and the three fins was classic, pat on the back man.
     
  9. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    I have the same fin from longboard house in my Ashton longboard. Goes way better as a single with the fin pushed fairly far forward, especially for someone your size. The flex in that fin really lets you load up some energy going through a turn and then thrust forward as you come out of it.

    But take it with a grain of salt because I probably longboard about 5 times a year and usually in larger waves because I find logging in punchy 4-5 foot waves to be a real rush, and boring in 1-2 foot mush.
     
  10. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Definitely ride that thing as a single and push it all the way up in the box, you'll be swinging that bad boy around like your HPSB in no time, might even boost some air if you're really going after it. The thing I love about riding the longer board is that you can let the wave do most of the work and just focus on footwork. You'll get some seriously long waves on days where it would be barely rideable on a shorty. You'll find that having the LB around will only make you better because you'll increase your wave riding time exponentially through the summer months. I'm in the process of having a custom 9' Singlefin Performance LB shaped by Greg Geiselman, I'll be posting some pics once it's done.
     
  11. dlrouen

    dlrouen Well-Known Member

    814
    Jun 6, 2012
    That's honestly a pretty nice fin setup for a HPLB. Never tried the squirrel for myself, but I've only heard great things about it. For a totally different ride, drop the side bites and toss in a fin with a lot of rake. Try the Wingnut Rake.

    Looks great man! Enjoy it!
     
  12. AndrewIfallalot

    AndrewIfallalot Well-Known Member

    155
    Aug 24, 2012
    You can't properly longboard with a leash.

    Its good to shortboard without a leash as well when conditions call for it because it teaches you the lost art of kickouts
     
  13. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Brahs, how's this board look for performance and a first LB? Keep in mind I don't plan on noseriding or soul surfing anytime soon. Want it to be as good as possible on turns.

    Dims:
    9'2 x 21.75" x 2.75" with concave nose and square tail

    Let me know what you think. I may pick it up but I want this thing to be able to turn as good as an LB can. Don't want to Royboard!
     
  14. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    Make sure it has some tail rocker and fairly hard rails from the front of the fins back to the tail. Does it come with an orange suit and a white crash helmet? If so, that is a dead giveaway that it might not very maneuverable.
     
  15. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    I have a Greg G. custom shortboard (Orion) and love how it rides in pumping waves. I am very curious how his longboards work in good (chest to head plus) surf. He grew up in the Bahamas surfing over reefs, so he should definitely know how to make a big board that is still very responsive, and probably fast as get out. He must be secretly pissed his kids are riding Al Merricks during comps.
     
  16. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    I'll let you know how it goes, I'm pretty stoked about it, told him I want it to handle some overhead days so he's putting some nose rocker in but nothing too crazy cause it's gotta go in summer mush too. I don't know if he's secretly pissed or not, I think they ride his boards as often as they can. Not sure about comps with sponsors and all.
     
  17. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    post more pics

    feel free to include yourself, wife, etc.
     
  18. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Haha, well, as sad as it sounds, we were graced with about 1.2 @ 8 seconds yesterday evening. I got out about 3 bours before high tide on the new LB. The waves were NOT good, but they were plenty surfable. Consistent waist to stomach.... Took me a couple waves to get my mojo going. Getting the balance points right and the fin... The first hour or so I was out, I felt a considerable about of Drag/Lag and it felt like it was from the fins more than anything. I would paddle in and as I would transfer my weight to turn the board down the line, there was a bit of a delay. It felt like a combination of a gutless wave, and the huge fin with the side fins dragging. As the tide came up more, and there was the maximum amount of power, I really got loose on the thing and started having a blast. The last few waves I got were without a doubt, 200 yards +. all the way to the sand. turning, floating and noseriding on the inside section...

    So all in all, once I got used to the volume and the board in general, I had it dialed in.... What I will say is that I am going to try two different things, that I think will match my style a little better. First will be taking the side fins off and trying it as a single fin, as you boys suggested from the start. The second setup will be to put the fins from my fun shape on there. They are just standard fins, kind of like FG7's, the larger standard fins. On the funshape and stuff, that setup really feels like a shortboard setup through turns... I will play around with the single and the thurster....

    But for sure on such a small day, I could feel that big arse fin dragging substantially. I could see if there was some more size to it, that fin would lock in through bottom turns and build up some torque, but on a day like yesterday, they key was turning down the line, getting up a lot of speed and going from there. Once she got moving fast, she was turning quite easily. In a couple of hours, I easily had 30 -35 waves... I was gassed afterwards.... Saw a BUNCH of little tiny sharks the whole time again. Bastards.

    Ohh, and I didn't notice until I had paddled out and flipped the board over to inspect the fin, but the 9" middle fin was placed in the center for the box. There was a good two inches above it and below it. And you guys ALL told me rock that thing up all the way.
     
  19. BassMon

    BassMon Well-Known Member

    436
    May 8, 2013
    That's awesome to hear I'm glad you enjoyed it.
    1. As said before, try the single.
    2. Like I said earlier Iv never tried a big ol squirrel fin, if you still don't like it as a single try a more traditional fin with some rake. The fins I mentioned before are a good place to start. Maybe I'm just used to the bigger board but those fins make my 9' turn incredibly smooth.
    3. I actually prefer my fin in the center of the box, bit deffinitly mess around with it to find what works best for you.
    4. Keep having fun on it, that's what it is all about. When you really get comfortable on it and it's setup to your liking you my never want to ride anything else haha.


    Longboards rule
     
  20. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Yeah, no doubt. I will always be partial to the SB, but I would be kidding myself to think I can ride a HPSB round here more often than not. So I am definitely glad I am in a place with a more open mind than I would have had, say 5-6 years ago....

    And also, the last three waves I got last night were BY FAR the longest rides I have gotten in the two years I have lived here. I was out with two buddies, I mean, by the time I hit the beach, I looked back and my homies looked to be about 1/2 mile away from where I took off. I called it a legit 200 yards, but it was easily that. I only got on the nose a few times throughout the whole session, but I chalk that up to the lackluster surf. I really only had a few times where there was a solid face and I was locked in to it enough to walk all the way up. I was messing around with walking up to the nose on the mushball inside on a few bad waves, but there just wasn't enough "Umf" in the wave. I got my right foot up to the front and I could feel it about to pearl, so I called off the dogs... But once I got a good section and I had some speed, I felt the tail lock in the wave and it gripped enough for me to get all 10 on the front.

    Either way, super fun. Excited to keep playing around on it and get my style dialed in more than anything. I had happy feet the whole time, just adjusting constantly to find the sweet spot. You know, going into a floater with feet positioned a certain way, then having to shuffle in the middle of the floater, then tip toeing after the landing.... Doing crazy maneuvers on a SB is incredibly hard, but getting a legit style and groomed technical side of longboarding will give me plenty to do in the near future.

    But for now, I will just mess with the fins and see what the deal is.