My logic is flawed? What logic? I didn't say we should avoid GMOs and eat only "organic". I don't even trust the grocery stores organic labelling. I suspect that many of them probably just label conventionally grown crops organic so they can charge more. I just think that the verdict isn't in yet on GMO vs. non-GMO. Didn't people used to think that cigarette smoking was good for you back in the 1950s?
True. Ya know, Charles Darwin was a "bird fancier", as the English would say, and he "modified" pigeons by crossing breeds, etc. Wrote extensively on it. Does this mean I cannot eat "City Chicken" anymore?? What am I to do?? That is all we get, living under this bridge as I do. I can't stand the "re-fried squirrel" anymore!!
No, actually the consensus was that smoking was harmful. The tobacco industry found a few doctors willing to take some money to claim it was harmless. They didn't represent the majority of medical researchers.
Going by that logic is dangerous. Many things (chemicals) throughout history have caused severe harm but people said they were harmless in the beginning because there wasn't undeniable facts. Then, the facts eventually come out and Joe Blow is ****ed up the ass because he has been using these chemicals for years but of course government/FDA said they were fine.
Yes, and both are sold at the super market. Might want to eat some vegetables though and get off that tank.
Same could be said about organic food. Sometimes people think things should be safer (because "natural"), then it is discovered later that this isn't the case. http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0011250 http://www.pnas.org/content/87/19/7777.full.pdf You can't just demonize and avoid something because you think it could harm you.
I trust nature over for profit megacorporations. I'm not as much opposed to GMOs as I am to giant multinational agriculture companies. Just sayin' when there is BIG money involved people can be influenced to be less than honest and rational. This has been proven many times over through out history.
That's true. I definitely don't trust FDA labeled organic. I go to my local farm where they don't use any pesticides (organic or non-organic). My vegatables/fruit sometimes look like **** but I know I'm only eating the fruit or vegatable and not some pesticide. Also, I can avoid anything I want. This isn't China. If I think it could cause harm to myself or my family, I make that decision, not the ****ing government and not a scientist. Pretty soon they will be calling social services to take my children because I don't let them eat GMOs. I woulnd't be surprised if that happened since big-Ag and Monsato have strong political ties.
damn, id love to see a place that doesn't use and pesticides OR herbicides (which is what roundup is BTW).
So I've heard this from both you and brewengineer, is this some kind of right wing/corporate ag talking point? You know how language works, right? Words have socially determined meaning, they're not some kind of code you crack by pulling apart their morphemes. Plants bred through traditional methods are not GMOs, that's just not what GMO means.
All I know, there are several crop share farms in monmouth county. Many use salt, pepper and natural oil to control insect infestation. I know many don't use organic labeled chemicals, just all natural.
I grow a decent amount of veggies with out using extremely harmful pesticides. I do use Neem oil, diatomaceous earth, and natural home made sprays. Probably wouldn't work on a large scale. I have to admit it is a labor of love. My worse enemy are squash vine borers!
A lot of the crop shares are very small local farms (I'm talking small not like bigger farms in the area with huge fields of corn an acres of land)
I grow some smoking hot peppers and make a spray with them and vinegar, garlic and orange peels. The first time I made it I put the peppers in the blender and started it up and immediately realized, too late, I had just made a weapon. My wife found my discomfort entertaining. Live and learn.
You just have to be fine with the crop not looking great a lot of the time. It's still edible and you might have to cut some areas out. It doesn't look nice like the produce section (organic or not) at the grocery store but it is chemical free. I was thinking about making a garden in my yard but I don't have the time. You pay a little bit premium for these services but it is worth it. Some deliver to your door and it's for most of the year except extremely cold winter months. Then, I eat GMOs, lol
