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discussing the impacts of GMOs is not "conspiracying up the forum", it's talking about the very real impact of these "food" items being forced upon us by lobbyist controlled gov't stooges.
Um, if that is where the threads remained. Unfortunately, that is never what happens. Also, we had a long and drawn out Monsato thread just a couple weeks ago. Also, we still don't know the real impact of GMO's. That is the whole issue with them.
Thats why people want options and knowledge of what is and what isn't GMO. Because, the research results aren't there yet... Its like being signed up for a test trial on a drug without knowing it.
That's what I said was the issue. But if we are going to have another Monsanto thread, it would be nice to stick to data and reputable sources for information.
Nothing that I posted on this thread is conspiracy theory. it's true there is not enough research to show the safety/dangers of GMO's, but Monsanto and Syngenta are to blame for this. if the GMO's are safe, then what are they trying to hide by refusing independent research being conducted on their products? http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/13/opinion/la-oe-guriansherman-seeds-20110213 http://redgreenandblue.org/2011/02/14/monsanto-blocks-research-on-gmo-safety/ I do everything I can to avoid GMO's, but my empathy and compassion can not ignore the fact that the general population who are unaware of GMO's or don't have a choice due to labeling bans are the guinea pigs for these multibillion dollar companies. it is no mistake that many countries have GMO labeling and out right bans of GMO's altogether, and that the US government has sided with the industry.
I only started the this thread to inform people that there is additional information that might be of help if they are concerned about the prevention and possible health effects of GMO's.
As I stated in the other GMO thread, I agree that more testing needs to be done. However, I am not ready to claim they are completely bad. There is a place for them and they can help the world in some ways. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.tplants.2013.03.004 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130619195135.htm Archy, why are you thanking yourself?
I don't understand your commitment to always spouting "conspiracy". Are you saying there is no such thing as GMO crops, and livestock? "THEY" say the way to tell if a plant is GMO is to put Roundup on it and if it doesn't die, It's GMO.
the claim that GMO crops increase yields and reduce the use of pesticides have been proven to be false statements. http://www.alternet.org/food/why-monsanto-wrong-about-gm-crop-promises http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14735903.2013.806408#.UdK8_BXD_IV http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agri...tem/genetic-engineering/failure-to-yield.html http://www.scientificamerican.com/p...=can-genetically-modified-crops-feed-09-04-16 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...suicide-using-genetically-modified-crops.html In one article you presented, it states that Guatemala's corn yields have failed to meet their population increase. coincidentally the US has pushed Guatemala to use GM corn. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/U.S.+PUSHES+GENETICALLY+MODIFIED+CROPS+IN+GUATEMALA.-a0170290777 BTW santiago58 thanked me. i'm not him, so please get over the assumption that I have multiple identities on this forum. thank you
I didn't present an article. It was a study. The links you are posting are articles (except one). BTW, a few of the articles you posted are just BS. The scientific american one was fluff with no data that has been criticized by many scientists. As I said, we should stick to data and studies here, and less obscure and general articles from random publications. I posted a full study, performed in 2013. Please spend the time to actually seek out similar documents. I am sure your one defender just happened to magically reappear less than 20 min after you posted.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...suicide-using-genetically-modified-crops.html Opinion and emotional reporting. No science or real data on why it didn't work. http://www.scientificamerican.com/p...=can-genetically-modified-crops-feed-09-04-16 Fluff and poor scientific writing. GM is not supposed to make your crops magically grow to epic proportions. It only give the crops a better fighting chance. http://www.ucsusa.org/food_and_agri...tem/genetic-engineering/failure-to-yield.html Since I don't have the actual report, only the synopsis, it is hard to judge this. However, UCS is an environmentalists group that doesn't hide their bias. Nothing wrong with that, but I can't just take their word for it without reading the study. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14735903.2013.806408#.UdLg9nddCSq The only full study, but doesn't specifically list GM crops as a negative. It only states that yields don't differ much. http://www.alternet.org/food/why-monsanto-wrong-about-gm-crop-promises No reason to read this site. I don't need biased reporting. I have no doubt that the companies involved in selling seed are skewing data in their benefit. That is marketing, and the same things happen in the organic food world. However, I also know that the global crops will not support our population growth. We can either cut the population (I am all for limiting breeding), or we will have to look to science for viable alternatives for food. GM may or may not be the right track. I think it needs to be studied in depth. I cannot support an outright ban or food boycott related to GM without more testing. In the meantime, I stick to local produce as much as possible. However, not everyone can afford to do the same. I don't think it is appropriate to start a global scare campaign without knowing if there is anything to fear.
It would be nice to stick to studies, yet Monsanto and Syngenta have banned all independent studies to be performed/released. Why? What are they trying to hide? Getting back to the reason for me starting this thread. I'll say it again. I posted http://m.youtube.com/#/user/MonsantoVideoRevolt?&desktop_uri=/user/MonsantoVideoRevolt to give people on here information about GMO's in terms of such things as detoxifying their bodies of them. Not to start a debate over GMO-non GMO. So if you are not interested in the MonsantoVideoRevolt information, please don't troll on this thread. As far as people thanking me, I guess you think I created Santiago58 a couple of years ago in foresight to irritating people like you. In fact I guess you think I created santiago58 1 year before I created archy. Get real. “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it. ― George Orwell, A Collection of Essays tags: truth
Conversing using studies is not trolling. You need to understand the difference. My replies have been civil, so what are you afraid of?
But we wouldn't go to a mid-atlantic surf forum for that information, and it's incessant. If its not GMOs, than its Kony, or contrails or whatever the fear-de-jour is.
The thread is classified under "non surf related". And many surfers on this forum are concerned with what they eat.
I'm not afraid of anything. your first three posts contain no links to studies. They only contained your rhetoric of this thread as being conspiracy oriented. And you also make claims to me having multiple identities on this forum. That has nothing to do with the thread. http://m.youtube.com/#/user/MonsantoVideoRevolt?&desktop_uri=/user/MonsantoVideoRevolt