Nice Flat Beaches

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by billyharry, Aug 28, 2011.

  1. billyharry

    billyharry Active Member

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    Mar 24, 2011
    To whom it may concern,
    Now that the beaches are flat quit throwing money away pumping sand and put the money to sea-walls they last a hell of alot longer, and the beach can stay flat how it should be. Thanks,
    bill the surfer + all the people who have spine injurys due to sand pumping
     
  2. Johnny Utah

    Johnny Utah Well-Known Member

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    Sep 5, 2010
    well said...but it will never happen

    There were tons of head/neck/spine injuries this summer in OCMD. Probably all related to tourists trying to bodysurf a shore break. A valid argument for putting an end to beach replenishment in my opinion.
     

  3. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Artificially created dunes... planted with dune grass... that have been there for years... are now gone up by me.GONE... overnight. Just goes to show you, trying to do the right thing, with all good intentions, after the damages has been done is only a Band-Aid over cancer...

    Yea man... the beaches are flat again. A jump on the winter beach profile. Lovin' it...
     
  4. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    sea walls do not assist in coastal erosion, but can actually make it worse. The only thing a sea wall does is provide protection from ocean surge passed the wall.
     
  5. billyharry

    billyharry Active Member

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    Mar 24, 2011
    Sand has been moving for millions of years, the little hills they build will wash away every time, sea walls last and do exactly as you say keep the surge from the property. The beaches wash away every winter(and do fine) and they replinish(Waste money) if you want a dune in front of your house you should have pay for it youself.
     
  6. ND081

    ND081 Well-Known Member

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    Aug 7, 2010
    there was an article in the sandpaper about how in harvey cedars there was a day they had 3 head/neck injuries over the course of 90 minutes. they had to close the beach because the lifeguards and EMTs couldn't keep up with the amount of people needing attention
     
  7. LB green room

    LB green room Member

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    Aug 30, 2010
    Mother Nature will do its thing just like it always has, time and time again. no human or machine power will stop it. Quit wasting money and spend it on something useful instead of giving it to her to eat up. Just STOP PUMPING. End of story.

    sand bars are perfect btw :)
     
  8. ND081

    ND081 Well-Known Member

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    Aug 7, 2010
    Save what's left of LBI!

    http://longbeachtownship.com/
    "Long Beach Township is pleased to announce that from the Ship Bottom - Long Beach Township Line South to 80th (Surf) Street (two (2) miles), forty four (44) Privately owned Deeds of Dedication and Perpetual Storm Damage Reduction Easements and all required Township owned Deeds of Dedication and Perpetual Storm Damage Reduction Easements have been secured leaving only seven (7) needed in this area before the Army Corps Project may start."
     
  9. Johnny Utah

    Johnny Utah Well-Known Member

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    Sep 5, 2010
    Must be a bunch of Dems wasting money on beach replenishment...NO SURPRISE THERE!
     
  10. fatoldguy

    fatoldguy Well-Known Member

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    Oct 4, 2007
    Beach replenishment, when it means simply pumping massive amounts of sand on the nearshore, seems to create as many problems as it solves. I remain convinced that there must be a way to replenish the beach in a way that mimics the natural state of a barrier island.
     
  11. CaptJAQ

    CaptJAQ Well-Known Member

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    Jul 22, 2011
    The natural state of a barrier island is one that moves slowly inland. Try reading "Ribbon of Sand" by John Alexander sometime. It is about OBX, but explains barrier islands quite well. If there were no beach replenishment projects, the beachfront homes would all fall into the ocean eventually, and the land would be claimed by the ocean. Add to that the fact that the inlets also usually move in a southerly direction, most homeowners would eventually be SOL.
     
  12. Kuono

    Kuono Well-Known Member

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    Sep 21, 2010
    Totally agree, and the new sandbars that have formed are a beautiful thing - IMO
     
  13. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    I don't know about up there, but here in NC you have to put the sand dredged from the inlets somewhere..... Of course, we have a lot of inlets.
     
  14. Surferdann

    Surferdann Well-Known Member

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    Jul 22, 2008
    Well said and absolutely correct. They actually speed up the erosion process. The army corps has gotten away from these structures and full jetties/groins for exactly this reason. Establishing sand dunes and dune grass are the best defense in maintaining a "Flat" beach. The Wildwoods are a perfect example of this.
     
  15. davincimoon

    davincimoon Well-Known Member

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    Jul 31, 2008
    The army corp of engineers, and their infinite wisdom, was doing what you are refering to as hopper dredging at Oregon inlet for some time. Taking sand from an inlet and dumping it farther out into the continental shelf or using it to replenish a beach. The main problem with that is you cut off the sand supply for the southern portions of the island since our long shore current runs mainly North to South. The groin they put at the northern tip of pea island to hold the bonner bridge was even worse for this. It catches all that sand that would have otherwise nourished the width of the southern portions of the island, in this case Pea island. Hey low and behold look where all the breaches on 12 took place from Irene, (technically they're "inlets" but officials won't say that because Inlets require federal environmental permits if you're going to try and fill them) Stan Riggs, a coastal Geologist from ECU has been saying this for years. There are consequences to the things we try to do to "Protect" coastline...

    Eh, here's an idea, Don't build so close to the F***ing ocean...Killing off sea life through replenishment and interfering with natural processes is not worth protecting someones condo or hotel. Let her rip and let those natural outer sand bars form...
     
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  16. whosthat

    whosthat Well-Known Member

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    Apr 8, 2011
    Well said Davincimoon.............NSW AUS coastline is all natural, its the exact opposite of what we do here in the states. Even their inlets open and close naturally. It's an amazing coast. I reccomend it highly.
     
  17. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Actually the problem IS the natural state of a barrier island. Barrier islands are land forms that roll over themselves by storm overwash and gradually move landward and upward on the continental shelf.

    Beach nourishment is done precisely because "the natural state of a barrier island" (constant erosion and landward migration) is incompatible with immovable beach houses, roads and boardwalks.
     
  18. fatoldguy

    fatoldguy Well-Known Member

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    Oct 4, 2007
    I completely understand what the natural state of a barrier island is.

    I also understand, that in places like Ocean City Maryland and coastal Delaware, where billions of dollars of construction has taken place, there is little chance that those areas will be allowed to return to their natural state.

    That is why my post said "mimics the natural state of a barrier island."
     
  19. Bad Bug Surfing

    Bad Bug Surfing Well-Known Member

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    Dec 15, 2006
    Reef

    They need to genetically invent a natural reef that grows in cold water and resists pollution, and grow that b!tch all up and down the coast...
     
  20. schweez

    schweez Well-Known Member

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    Sep 17, 2008
    agreed seen it myself. the superbank is an exception tho and has killed kirra