Odds of dying lightning vs shark attack

Discussion in 'Mid Atlantic' started by shark-hunter, May 29, 2014.

  1. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    so the other 20 some%

    wtf were they doing?
  2. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    LOL. Love the deflection while I'm talking about Australia and did my own breakdown of real numbers, you do a copy and paste job. Again EVERYONE(all 300 million people) are exposed to lightning. Not everyone is at some outside sanbar in queensland surfing for hours everyday. Common sense. It's like saying your risk of attack by tiger is low in U.S., therefore someone who keeps a pet tiger has a low risk of getting attacked by a tiger. Get it now?

    Again, it's all about preventing deaths. That's why we have speed limits and guard rails and dui laws. To save lives. Nets save lives. Look at statistics of before/after for netted beaches in Australia. It's unbelievable. Honestly, much rather have nets than culling if you can only have one. No comparison. Netting way more effective.

  3. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2013
    Shark-guy you are so off its hard to really decide what to say to you. But with the diarrhea your mouth continues to spew, i just cant hold my reply back any longer.

    You speak like someone from the mid-west who has never seen the ocean before.

    As a person who has taken marine bio courses, as well as a free diver (abalone in nor cal, and just divin around out here in maui) , surfer, paddler (outrigger canoe, which i happen to steer, aka the captain of the boat), and general ocean enthusiast. I have a very educated idea of what to expect in the ocean. And your theory couldnt be more wrong.

    If you wonder why the seals are outta control, thank the depleted shark population. As the apex ocean predator (alongside orca of course) every decline no matter how large or small affects the rest of the ocean critters. Even the nice ones that you like. Just because it scares you and you cant get over that, doesnt mean they are a problem to the human species. Have you ever actually seen a shark? Not in an aquarium mind you, an actual swimming wild shark?

    What you are doing is called scare tactics and has no actual basis of fact. You are 100% full of SH!T and need to shut your pie hole. I'm not going to get into a back and forth with you over this because it is useless and you are in fact a moron. So there is no point. You need to learn a lot more about the world before you have an opinion like you do and express it to a internet forum full of people who actually have respect for the ocean and the creatures that live in it.
  4. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014
    he's (brothers, lovers, friends, etc) one of the mods

    to drive post count or traffic
  5. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2013
    that would explain a lot. I just figure for sure 15-16yrs old. Maybe less.
  6. fl.surfdog

    fl.surfdog Well-Known Member

    Dec 6, 2010
    (clap, clap, clap) Bravo, yep, the last paragraph says it all!!! Close this thread!


    Sep 17, 2013
    mike you are wasting your breathe, this guy is beyond reproach, let him live in his delusional world where body boarding rules, he wwf's surfers off waves and kills things he doesn't like because he has no conscious. its a shame he posts here
  8. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2013
    MIS i know man. Thats really why ive waited thru so many b.s posts to finally say something. I just couldnt take it anymore and had to say something.
  9. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    Recent attacks. Look at how many bodyboarders. Bodyboarders probably make up 1% surfers in the water there. Yet incredible percentage of attacks.

    29 November, 2013: Zac Young, 19, dies from cardiac arrest after being attacked by a shark while bodyboarding with friends near Riecks Point north of Coffs Harbour in NSW.

    23 November 2013: Chris Boyd, 35, is attacked by a shark, believed to be a great white, while surfing at the popular surf break Umbries off Gracetown in WA.

    14 July 2012: Ben Linden, 24, is killed while surfing near Wedge Island, Western Australia, 180km north of Perth. A witness who tried to help said the shark swam away with the body.

    31 March 2012: Peter Kurmann, 33, is taken in south-western WA while diving in the Port Geographe Marina. His brother, who was diving with him, tried to fight off the shark with a knife.

    22 October, 2011: American tourist George Thomas Wainwright, 32, sustains horrific injuries and dies while scuba diving off Rottnest Island.

    10 October, 2011: Bryn Martin, 64, disappears at Cottesloe Beach and is presumed a shark attack victim. Only his damaged Speedos were found.

    4 September, 2011: Kyle Burden, 21, is taken by a shark while bodyboarding with friends at Bunker Bay, near Dunsborough, in Western Australia.

    17 February 2011: An abalone diver is taken in an attack by two sharks, believed to be great whites, while surfacing near Perforated Island in Coffin Bay, South Australia.

    17 August 2010: A 31-year-old man dies from serious injuries after being attacked by a shark while surfing near Gracetown in Western Australia's south-west.

    27 December 2008: Fisherman Brian Guest, 51, is taken by a great white while snorkelling at Port Kennedy in Perth's south. His son and beachgoers saw the shark attack and swim off with him in its mouth.

    8 April 2008: A 16-year-old boy from Wollongbar is killed by a shark while bodyboarding off Ballina's Lighthouse Beach on the NSW north coast.
  10. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012

    Specific number of attacks in every area of Australia.

    These are facts :)

    Around 5 million people in queensland. What percentage surf everyday? You do the math yourself. You just can't handle that I'm calling out the truth to people. That's why you are getting so pissed of. If you say let people take the risk, then let them KNOW the risk.
  11. leetymike808

    leetymike808 Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2013
    you do realize thats ONLY 10 deaths in 6 years? Thats on average 1.67 people a year.

    Do you believe all cars should be taken off the road? Cause way more people die in car wrecks than that per year.
  12. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Metard, I love you buddy. Don't ever change.
  13. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Brah, no one on here lives in Australia. I also think your math is silly, since you can't separate surfers from swimmers. If you are looking at statistics for shark attacks, you must come up with a consistent population and control for the analysis. Since every person entering the water could technically be attacked by a shark, every person that enters the water must be considered in the statistical analysis. This is basic statistics, which you are purposely making up to justify your own selachophobia.

  14. metard

    metard Well-Known Member

    Mar 11, 2014

  15. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    What, did we piss off MSW & they exported Hark Shuffler over here to torment us?
  16. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Lightning is fantastic, but it scares me way more than sharks.
  17. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Yikes, I will only chime in here once... Hopefully. But I believe all the statistics are skewed and depending on the application, they are all manipulated to make some random point...

    But what I will tell you is this. When I lived in San Diego, I was included in these "lightening" statistics... Well, here is a random thought for you. Not only does it not rain in Southern California but maybe 6 times per year, in the 11 years I lived there, I saw lightening once and it was about 10 miles out to see during a mega storm that came close to shore...

    So all this crap is nonsense. It is what it is... But as a guy who entered the water every single day, I knew that a statistic of head injuries on a reef, attacks by an ocean species or drowning increased exponentially every day that went by...... WAY more so than the guy from Arizona who vacation there and touched the water once a year and only went out waist deep. He and I are included in the same "statistical" approach to all this, which is why none of these numbers matter.

    Now that I live in a place that has thunder, lightening, sharks and rarely any waves, the application of all this stuff is completely different. When I see weather coming, I stop golfing. I understand the risks of holding steel shaft clubs in the sky during a weather event....

    This is all a crap shoot of statistics... I mean, if you surf EVERY DAY in New Simyra Beach in Florida, for 10 years.... I am PRETTY sure you are going to get nibbled on. It the decisions that you make and the environment you enter and the repetition....

    It like people talking about airplanes... You are more likely to die in a car wreck than an airplane... Well, what if I never fly? I am still included in these stats.... If weather starts to go bad while I am driving, I can pull over and wait it out... Not in a 747.

    Us as individuals have ways to decrease the risk of injury and death... I.E. seeing a dorsal fin and exiting the water, while others may stay out...

    The most interesting thing that I have read in this whole thread was from LBCrew... The fact that SOCCER lead to more deaths in the United States than any other sports. I would imagine that it's head trauma from heading the ball. I knew a guy that played professionally in Europe, he came back at about age 28 and was almost brain dead from the amount of head trauma he took routinely heading the ball....

    Moral of the story? Soccer is more dangerous than surfing????
  18. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
  19. SI_Admin

    SI_Admin Guest

    So, I think what you are saying, is we should create shields to deflect lightning, so that we are completely safe anytime there is a lightning storm.

    On that note, maybe we should create bubbles that we can live in, because I know every time I walk out the door, there are thousands of things trying to kill me, from bacteria, to people driving cars and texting.
  20. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    Of course you can separate swimmers from surfers. The way you do it is figure out approximately how many attacks ON surfers. Then figure how population of surfers. It's not rocket science. Clearly they are an at risk group. Bodyboarders even more so. Average swimmer jumps in the water for 5-10 minutes in waist deep water and then jumps right back out. Most swimmers attacked by sharks are the type that take an hour long swim every morning in deeper water. Not your average beach tanner.

    Unfortunately when you are blinded by political agenda then you can't see that. That's why everyone is trying to deflect this obvious lie with meaningless stuff about car accidents. Under that insane logic of the 10-15 people on this forum that are a fringe group for sure, we should have no air bags/seat belts/speed limits/drivers licesenses or anything else to keep people safe. The Australian Government and large percentage of PEOPLE of Australia agree with their decision. So I guess I'm not that crazy or alone in my opinions then, eh? Those nets that Australia put up has saved countless lives.

    Keep up the work guys of trying to manipulate people into your insane(also hypocrital) view on sharks. Again nets have been up for decades and attacks have gone down by an incredible percentage in netted areas. Shark numbers have been growing since the nets were put up decades ago. Putting nets up does not make sharks go extinct.

    Do you guys think nets should be taken down since there's no reason to have any type of proven protection for people? Just curious how crazy some are on here.
    Last edited: May 30, 2014